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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#35651: Jul 25th 2024 at 8:40:07 AM

[up][up] Even then, Superior is derisively divisive.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35652: Jul 25th 2024 at 8:43:02 AM

Me. Negative is one of the additions that stuck post OMD, but he is also a villain that could have been added without Mephisto buying the marriage.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2024 at 11:43:23 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35653: Jul 25th 2024 at 8:44:04 AM

Yeah, there’s nothing really added to OMD that couldn’t have been added with the marriage intact

I guess aside from all the new girlfriends but does anybody like any of the new relationships?

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35654: Jul 25th 2024 at 9:06:22 AM

I think that's why I liked Slott's recent run of stories with Bagley, in that he largely ignored all the relationship migranes of Wells' run and you could easily read the book pretending MJ was off in Hollywood while Peter got steady employment with the sinless Norman (an element Slott retained for the run)

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35655: Jul 25th 2024 at 9:07:56 AM

Silk being created in those times would be considered a plus, but her debut was... awkward to say the least. With different early appearances, it would have been better.

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#35656: Jul 25th 2024 at 9:17:30 AM

I liked two of them, but not in a "oh, she's so good for Peter" kind of way and more in a "ha ha, you suck Peter" kind of way. Namely Michele Gonzales and Cindy Moon. Cindy's development has been for the best though, before that joke could get too old, but I'd be all for Peter and Michele. She might not be good for him, but she's exactly what he deserved for what he did.

Then again, my dislike for Peter for what he did has faded with time. I still dislike it, but at this point it's time to just undo it, or at least address it before he is punished some more for it. He lost his body to Doctor Octopus. Kind of hard to feel like he hasn't been punished enough when he doesn't even know why he deserves it.

Ana Maria was okay I guess too. Maybe Lian Tang, though they kind fall into the "you suck Peter" camp too.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35657: Jul 25th 2024 at 9:26:20 AM

Honestly Superior could have been slotted in to a prequel type of story set before the marriage in a hypothetical timeline where OMD never happened IRL, like Shadow of the Green Goblin.

Peter-Otto even returns to College and graduates midway.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35658: Jul 25th 2024 at 9:59:49 AM

The MCU killed Thanos off twice, so that universe isn't the reason he's still alive. Rather, it's because he's too popular a villain among comic fans.

As for Doom getting taken down a peg, Scott Lang did that ten years ago.

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Goku Black
#35659: Jul 25th 2024 at 10:34:05 AM

I think they mean that any chance of him getting retired now is gone. Due to his reignited popularity tm thanks to the mcu and ultimate alliance 3.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#35660: Jul 25th 2024 at 10:39:43 AM

> a comicbook villain

> being retired for good

As long as you aren't part of the Ultraverse you just aren't retired for long ever.

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#35661: Jul 25th 2024 at 10:41:35 AM

Just a reminder - if we're drifting away from Spider-Man to general Marvel, that's going off-topic for the thread.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35662: Jul 25th 2024 at 10:42:50 AM

It’s funny that nobody even brought up Carlie Cooper.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35663: Jul 25th 2024 at 11:01:02 AM

Did anyone like that period where Felicia was a private detective? I did.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35664: Jul 25th 2024 at 11:02:12 AM

[up][up] She is in that spot of "let's pretend this didn't happen" or it's similar to Cindy's spot of being in a better situation when she isn't pushed as the definitive love interest.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 25th 2024 at 2:05:26 PM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35665: Jul 25th 2024 at 12:24:53 PM

Demoting Carlie to supporting cast was the best thing they could do for the character. People couldn't really judge her properly when she was a legitimate love interest, it was crazy.

Edited by Joshbones on Jul 25th 2024 at 12:25:10 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35666: Jul 25th 2024 at 12:34:15 PM

Yeah.

She's gonna be in a better situation than Paul is when they're finally done with him.

Like, at least someone cared enough about Carlie to try and do something with her afterwards. Our boy Paul will be lucky if they even bother to toss him in a ditch.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#35667: Jul 25th 2024 at 1:22:44 PM

The plot twist is Carlie and Paul end up together. Yay.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35668: Jul 25th 2024 at 1:26:36 PM

I mean, if you don't give two shits about Carlie, then it could work.

Maybe, it could even allow Paul to become something besides a punching bag and the most hateable guy around.

That way, someone else can take that role.[lol]

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35669: Jul 25th 2024 at 1:27:59 PM

They should turn Paul into the Puce Goblin

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#35670: Jul 25th 2024 at 1:59:04 PM

Good for Ant-Man then, I'll take what I can get.

Anyway, no I didn't care for Carlie. Unless it's a Black Comedy I don't imagine how having the main character commit an atrocity, even one he was duped into in a Moment of Weakness, even though it was more so a full workday of weakness, and then jump straight to "New Love Interest! She's so perfect for him!"

No, an evil bullying lawyer is exactly what Peter Parker deserved. An non consensual commitment to a Womanchild who doesn't actually like him was exactly what Peter Parker deserved. Carlie Cooper was the wrong character at the wrong time. But sure, let her have Paul. That seems about right, ignoring that Paul himself is responsible for some sort of atrocity something if I remember correctly.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35671: Jul 25th 2024 at 2:02:36 PM

He helped commit a genocide

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chino514 (Apprentice)
#35672: Jul 25th 2024 at 2:03:50 PM

And used the Nuremberg Defense.

Edited by chino514 on Jul 25th 2024 at 2:04:06 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#35673: Jul 25th 2024 at 2:05:22 PM

That's funny/cool that the Ultimate version of Octavius looks like his Superior Octopus/"Ethan" identity.

I believe that Carlie Cooper was last shown potentially starting a relationship with Overdrive

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#35674: Jul 25th 2024 at 3:40:57 PM

Oh yeah, that's right. Not only is Paul alternate universe nonsense that wasn't necessary when all one needed to do was just have Mary Jane get another boyfriend, but he's a war criminal. I legitimately forgot why he's so disliked for a bit there, him being both unlikable and forgettable is an accomplishment!

My Spider-Man head canon is now that The Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, The X-Men, the plain regular doctors at the hospital and The One Above All could have all saved Aunt May and would have all done so if Peter just asked them to, but he never did. All of them, right down to gunman who shot her, were all illusions created by Mephisto in a bid to take Peter Parker's unborn daughter. His Spider-Sense didn't warn him because Mephisto's initial attack, which he purposefully made slow enough for Peter Parker to dodge, was the only thing that had any chance of actually hurting Peter Parker. We've seen that Peter Parker can be fooled by Mysterio's illusions when they are not directly threatening. Mephisto was using a bootleg Mysterio helmet in fact! He might not have as much theatrical experience, but he's smart enough to create the illusion he isn't wearing an upside down fishbowl on his head!

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jul 25th 2024 at 4:41:55 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35675: Jul 25th 2024 at 4:21:21 PM

Paul was basically made to piss off the fanbase and keep Peter and MJ apart. Anything actually about him as a character comes as a distant third.

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