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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35526: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:17:29 PM

Except that's not accurate, Otto is nowhere near at the same level of exposure as Venom or even the Green Goblin.

So no, he's not over exposed.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35527: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:18:32 PM

Slott's clearly trying to fix that.

Anyway, Ock is Peter's second most recognizable villain.

He was also dead for a while just like Norman.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35528: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:20:16 PM

How? Green Goblin has taken long breaks from the Spider-Man universe, such as when he died the first time which lasted quite a long time by comic book standards, and when he became an Avengers villain, and Venom hasn't been in the Spider-Man corner in a long while and has been doing his own thing for year. He's not even a bad guy anymore.

Doc Ock has been getting more stories and focus in the Spider-Man corner of the universe particularly under Dan Slott. Doc Ock had a lot of screen time when the Goblin was dead, and even now in the Wells run, he's been a major villain and lead the Sinister Six while we got lame dad Norman.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:21:05 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35529: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:20:59 PM

One can be less overexposed than those two and still be overexposed, anyhow

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35530: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:22:00 PM

Doc Ock also has had at least 4 comic series devoted to him as well. Two of which lasted at least a year.

Whenever the Green Goblin returns, it's an event, but Doc Ock being the villain of a Spider-Man story is business as usual.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 13th 2024 at 12:22:42 AM

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Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35531: Jul 13th 2024 at 12:04:20 AM

Norman still had an impact whether it was Harry having some hardships in his growth having been under his thumb.

And even if the Hobgoblin did make it as a true successor, it would still be the result of the Green Goblin's spector so to speak.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35532: Jul 13th 2024 at 5:16:36 AM

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Edited by Zarius on Jul 13th 2024 at 5:16:46 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35533: Jul 13th 2024 at 6:06:01 AM

Venom is a little weird honestly because he hasn't actually been a rogue for a pretty good chunk of his existence. It's funny how the first(?) console game had that goofy Venom compared to the later ones.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35534: Jul 13th 2024 at 6:07:08 AM

He was still an antagonist, but boy was he a funny one. My dad said that was his favorite incarnation of Venom XD

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35535: Jul 13th 2024 at 6:17:23 AM

[up][up] That generally is Venom’s attitude. The game even remembers that Venom is an anti hero when he realizes Spider Man was framed.

Compare that to future video game versions where he progressively gets worse and more evil. I think it started in Ultimate Spider Man where they adapted a Venom who was pretty much a monster that needed to feed.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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Goku Black
#35536: Jul 13th 2024 at 7:14:38 AM

That's a weird thing I noticed about media. Is venom is often turned into a pure evil monster while norman becomes more sympathetic. Which is the reverse of their comic characters.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35537: Jul 13th 2024 at 7:58:56 AM

It helps that adaptations gave the symbiote corruptive qualities so logically it would make Eddie Brock more evil over time.

But when the Symbiote is trying to take over New York by spreading symbiotes, then that's when things are off the rails.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35538: Jul 13th 2024 at 9:53:56 AM

We've talked about it on here before, but I feel like writers use Ock to do traditional supervillain plots they dont want to use Norman for.

Like, even when Ock knew Peter's identity, there were never any personal stories between the two. It was all business.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35539: Jul 13th 2024 at 10:13:04 AM

[up] That's largely how "Web of Death" ended, Otto decreed he was at his happiest when it was just him against Spider-Man, he didn't want to get personal with it.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 13th 2024 at 10:13:35 AM

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#35540: Jul 13th 2024 at 3:41:31 PM

I kind of like the idea of venom, as a scorned ex girlfriend hell bent of defending people from the evil Spider-Man that wronged her. But the execution of that idea falls flat when venom is in fact a brain eating body horror bonded to a rightfully disgraced journalist. It's almost like this story had no real plan or anything.

To me venom worked best as a villain. The "the lethal protector" thing was just goofy and redundant. Morbius was a good enough "lethal protector" already, even if not actually called that. The Punisher was a good enough one of those too. And Demogoblin. And Silver Sable. I didn't mind the symbiote leaving Eddie Brock for another Spider-Man killing host, but it stuck with Mac Gargan, a loser villain by design, for too long.

As long as Carnage's continued existence is a thing I think Venom kind of works as a hero in that context, that there's another eviler symbiote in the New York area to make venom seem not so bad by comparison, but the existence of Carnage is something I could have done without.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35541: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:31:59 PM

I decided to read Spider-Man Reign cause if they’re going to make a sequel, I might as well personally look into this memetic train wreck.

I’m pacing myself so I’ve only read the first issue and this can’t be serious. And I mean that literally, this book is playing a silly joke on people taking the dark knight returns for Spider-Man advertising at face value

The first issue starts with a dramatic reading of itsy bitsy spider. Peter putting the mask on for the first time to save Jonah from the consequences of his own actions is preceded by a dramatic reading of hickory dickory doc. Becaus nursery rhymes teach children the world is PAIN.

When Jonah sees Peter he marvels at how shitty he looks because “Didn’t think you could age. Thought you’d be twenty forever.”

Peter gets fired from his florist job for mixing up white and cream flowers. And his internal narration says “No money. No job. No dignity. Just like old times.”

This book is firmly tongue in cheek.

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 14th 2024 at 7:32:36 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35542: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:32:56 PM

I hear people saying that Spider-Man Reign would work as a parody of the Dark Knight returns but the same people who say it also describe the book as feeling like a parody.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35543: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:35:36 PM

It does. It very much does.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35544: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:36:16 PM

Well enjoy the book, tell us how your journey goes my funny but not so helpful friend.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35545: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:37:21 PM

Can do

Further evidence this has to be a joke: when Peter masks up again he automatically starts quipping again but he finds it so cringe that he blames the mask and then disassociates through the rest of the one-sided fight just so he won’t have to hear himself.

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 14th 2024 at 7:40:22 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35546: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:47:07 PM

I still feel bad for Sandman's daughter.

The YMMV.Spider Man Reign page mentions "a lot of readers view the Darker and Edgier elements as absurd to the point of hilarity" but no word on whether it was actually a Stealth Parody or not. The only publication history I can find is that the first issue sold out, Marvel itself compared it to TDKR, and there was controversy over a nudity scene.

Meanwhile, press for the sequel describes the original as "the landmark, genre-defying SPIDER-MAN: REIGN!" but the solicit for the third issue is very tongue-in-cheek.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 14th 2024 at 10:55:19 AM

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Goku Black
#35547: Jul 15th 2024 at 9:30:49 AM

The sequel at least clearly knows it's a joke and is leaning into it

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35548: Jul 15th 2024 at 11:24:15 AM

As seen by the hilarious Santa beard. XD

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35549: Jul 15th 2024 at 11:29:39 AM

There's individual things I liked about Reign. Sandman's part of the story is especially good, and I've always figured it may have combined with his plot in Raimi's Spider-Man 3, resulting in him having a daughter remaining a part of his character ever since.

But so much of the surrounding stuff drags the good stuff down. Even the most surface level stuff, like how its symbiote plot became a template for basically every symbiote plot that came afterwards, I really dislike.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 15th 2024 at 11:31:52 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35550: Jul 15th 2024 at 11:34:41 AM

Wait thats where the symbiote invasion plotline came from?

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