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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35501: Jul 10th 2024 at 6:53:15 PM

Wait WHAT is Daredevil fighting right now in his comics?

He's also dealing with sin bullshit?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35502: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:00:10 PM

[up][up] Oh, ok. And that actually sounds like exactly the kind of advice Logan would give. Lord knows he knows about sinning and having done an endless amount of bad shit.

[up] At least he's dealing with his own sins, and not someone else'.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35503: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:01:15 PM

So his sins possessed Kinpin and Electra? How did that happen?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35504: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:02:30 PM

Matt at least tends to have that religious guilt thing hanging over him that makes a story about his sins fit him more than it does with Peter.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 10th 2024 at 10:05:02 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35505: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:08:13 PM

The sins juice are just an excuse at this point to set up the status quo of Norman being Peter's boss and to make him more like MCU Norman.

At no point, did Norman ever act like a dad to Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35506: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:21:13 PM

[up][up][up]matt died going into hell and killing the Beast the god of the hand. he came back as an amnesiac priest, but his seven deadly sins came back separate from him and are possessing people. we have wrath and pride left and im betting spidey will be one of them.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35507: Jul 10th 2024 at 7:44:53 PM

[up]

I'm calling Peter as Wrath. We all know Angry Spider-Man is terrifying, and Peter used to (and may still have) a nasty temper.

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#35508: Jul 10th 2024 at 9:26:27 PM

How odd to have a forgotten Spidey baddie be the villain of Union Jack the Ripper.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35510: Jul 10th 2024 at 10:11:43 PM

Reposting, cause I'm not sure it got read due to the flow of discussion, but:

So regardless how much OMD involves a character who shouldn't be a major figure in Spider-Man, as Linkara brought up in his review of it...

Well besides just having the major powerhouse heroes who could help him be absent, why didn't they have MJ being the one on death's door so that Peter's choice as foolish as it was would actually feel more selfless? Can't think of any downside that would come from it.

Aisaac123 “Cause i'm a punkrocker, yes i am” from México Since: Jun, 2024 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
“Cause i'm a punkrocker, yes i am”
#35511: Jul 10th 2024 at 10:32:11 PM

[up]They weren't smart enough

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35512: Jul 11th 2024 at 3:35:45 AM

There was a What If? where MJ was the one shot and IIRC Spidey beat the Kingpin to death cause the bullet killed her instantly.

EDIT: Found the recap page! What If Spider Man Back In Black

Note there is no Mephisto at all. XD

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 11th 2024 at 6:46:33 AM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35513: Jul 11th 2024 at 3:47:12 AM

Sandman appeared weirldly enough last in Invincible Iron Man (2022) where him and Iron man's Frenemy living Lazer acted as body guards for Rhoddey while he was framed in prison.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35514: Jul 11th 2024 at 4:00:40 AM

A really underrated story arc from that post-Civil War pre-OMD era is The Sensational Spider-Man #35-37, where Mr. Hyde injected orphans with serums to give them approximations of Peter Parker's powers, then set them loose on New York to, essentially, see what would happen. (And another kid was one of Peter's students as the "control" variable.)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 11th 2024 at 7:05:41 AM

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35515: Jul 11th 2024 at 7:38:20 AM

Dan Slott says while he'll never quit writing Spidey when the opportunities present themselves, he's retiring as a Doc Ock writer with the close of the recent Superior series

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35516: Jul 11th 2024 at 7:40:32 AM

I did enjoy the Superior reunion but Chistos Gage's run is still the best one IMO.

I do hope we get to see Anna Maria hang around more when she's not tied to Otto.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35517: Jul 11th 2024 at 7:49:48 AM

Wait I haven't read the latest Superior book, does Ock actually become Spider-Man again?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35518: Jul 11th 2024 at 7:52:12 AM

Kind of? He's trying to act as an evil mentor to Spider-Man in an Enemy Mine to save Anna Maria from a supervillain that Otto created back in his superior days.

It's Peter who dons the Superior outfit for this run but Otto is playing guy in the chair.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 11th 2024 at 10:52:38 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35519: Jul 11th 2024 at 7:59:31 AM

Huh, not sure how to feel about that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35520: Jul 11th 2024 at 8:41:19 AM

To summarise:

A being called Supernova, who Otto had imprisoned back when he was Superior Spidey, escaped her prison, during a rampage in NYC, Supernova captured Anna Maria and Otto discovered Peter's identity again, and in doing so, regained all his memories of being Superior. Otto and Peter teamed up to save Anna-Maria from Supernova but Otto decided to make off with Supernova and use her power to complete a grand experiment.

The second half of the arc involves the sentient Spiders of Spiders-Man being affected by Otto's mind swap tech, which copies Otto's brainwaves and attaches them to the spiders, and they begin infecting every corner of Manhattan, so every person becomes Doc Ock, Spider-Boy is infected also.

Peter, Anna Maria, and Otto team up and Otto erases all his Superior memories, including his love for Anna Maria and his knowledge of Peter's identity, to reverse the effects of the mind control. Supernova is freed, Anna-Maria's faith in Otto is restored, and Otto escapes.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 11th 2024 at 8:42:18 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35521: Jul 12th 2024 at 8:03:55 AM

Here's one for What Could Have Been on the Superior page based off of that recent interview:

Slott had pitched a trilogy of giant-size issues for Superior's tenth anniversary, all of them were to be "What Ifs" focusing on different eras of Superior, one would be essentially "What If Superior Hadn't Ended" with Otto refusing to hand Peter back his body and coming up with a way of defeating the Goblin without having to surrender back to Pete, one would be co-written with Christos Gage but Gage would handle the third one and it'd be based off his run with Otto in Superior.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 12th 2024 at 8:04:12 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35522: Jul 12th 2024 at 8:18:38 AM

That all sounds utterly self-indulgent.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35523: Jul 12th 2024 at 8:38:21 AM

First look at Spider-Man: Venom War

Edited by Zarius on Jul 12th 2024 at 8:38:38 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35524: Jul 12th 2024 at 3:59:19 PM

with Otto refusing to hand Peter back his body and coming up with a way of defeating the Goblin without having to surrender back to Pete

Kind of sounds like it misses the entire point of that ending, then

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35525: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:08:41 PM

Dan Slott really likes Doc Ock. And all those ideas just sound like self indulgent ways to praise his pet character.

It’s even Doc Ock who saves the day in the new Superior series.

It’s why I feel Doc Ock is one of the most over exposed Spider Man rogues.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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