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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#35426: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:16:46 AM

Do we know if anyone working on the book actually likes Paul? Because it seems like there's not much effort to do anything with him, probably due to that transparent role.

Hasn't Zeb continued to insist that Paul is just "misunderstood" by the fandom or something?

Edited by lbssb on Jun 29th 2024 at 2:17:28 PM

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#35427: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:19:54 AM

[up] Is that actually his belief, or is that something that Spider-Editorial is forcing him to say?

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35428: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:22:07 AM

[up]Yeah, but nobody trusts Zeb Wells. And even if it's true, he's done an awful job of relaying that.

[up][up]I mean, I know that, but I firmly believe every character should be given the maximum effort, not screwed over because of bad editorial choices.

Like, Peter and MJ aren't real either, but people dislike what's being done to them as well right.

I just don't like seeing characters get hung out to dry.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#35429: Jun 29th 2024 at 1:14:31 PM

They insist that Paul is "likable"...but what exactly is likable about him? Even setting aside the fact that his only reason for existence...is to keep apart the pairing that they *know* that readers want...Paul committed genocide to a future timeline...he mooches off of his supposed girlfriend...he was shown to be anti-mutant etc.

Edited by knightstorm on Jun 29th 2024 at 1:58:22 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35430: Jun 29th 2024 at 1:18:43 PM

Yeah. They ain't even trying with him.

As long as he's in the way, they don't care about anything else, and the claims that we're misunderstanding him are probably just being said to rile people up.

And like, they're being so transparent about it. They ain't even trying. And I don't like the idea of a character just existing to block something people want. Paul, like any character, should have been a character first. Not an obstacle.

One Strip! One Strip!
IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#35431: Jun 29th 2024 at 2:10:38 PM

Paul is a fire fighter, you're supposed to like fire fighters by defau...wait, this is the Spider-Man thread. You mean that Paul?

You noticing a recurring theme yet? Can't just have Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson separate/divorce like regular people for understandable reasons. There has to be demonic dealing time rewinding bullshit. Can't just have Mary Jane find a nice man with similar interests. There has to be some world destroying multiverse bullshit. Mary Jane certainly can't give birth to kids like a woman. She can't even adopt with mumbo jumbo erasing them from existence.

Yes, Mister Cebulski, I have a complaint. The covers of these comic books have "Spider-Man" printed on them but from the content within the pages this is clearly Cosmic Ghost Rider. Can I have a refund?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35432: Jun 29th 2024 at 2:20:13 PM

I would demand money back and compensation for emotional distress if I were tricked into reading cosmic ghost rider punisher Deadpool

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chino514 (Apprentice)
#35433: Jun 29th 2024 at 4:53:28 PM

My idea to send off Paul is to get the dirt out there on what he did to that world, put a bounty on his head, and send characters off to the races to off him and claim the prize.

Edited by chino514 on Jun 29th 2024 at 4:53:48 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35434: Jun 29th 2024 at 6:24:54 PM

Yeah. Just toss him in a portal and forget him or something.

I know everyone wants the Catharsis of killing him off horribly, but that's a waste.

I don't care if he dies, or is just forgotten but don't bother with something so elaborate. To be honest, I don't think he's worth the effort.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35435: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:19:16 PM

Reveal that Paul is a future time looping Fry I mean Peter and then have him explode

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35436: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:30:57 PM

re: Paul's design: I simultaneously think he looks exactly like a stereotypical douchebag but also exactly like what an out-of-touch old person would think a cool young person looks like, it's kind of nuts.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35437: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:47:23 PM

But also Paul's design is weirdly inconsistent between his appearances.

Whether he has a manbun (tied back here) or not (slicked back hair) completely changes what his vibe is

Which just increases the impression that absolutely no-one cares what he is

Edited by Saiga on Jun 29th 2024 at 11:47:46 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35438: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:49:37 PM

Ha, just like Carlie’s mercurial appearance

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35439: Jun 29th 2024 at 11:54:04 PM

He is astonishingly inconsistent.

Really indicates that very little writers and artists really care about the guy.

And even worse editorial isn't even pushing to keep things consistent.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#35440: Jun 30th 2024 at 1:28:39 AM

[up] Spider-Editorial doesn't give a shit about consistency, just about keeping Peter unmarried and generally miserable, the way that they think he should be. And since Amazing Spider-Man consistently sells decently well no matter how god-awful it gets, Marvel (and Disney by extension) doesn't have much reason to care about what Spider-Editorial is doing.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#35441: Jul 2nd 2024 at 5:01:24 PM

How is Stan Lee’s original run? I would like to experience history but with the Boys and Invincible now being the standard for superheroes plus Marvel’s status quo, I’m hesitant.

Edited by ChicoTheParakeet on Jul 2nd 2024 at 8:03:38 AM

ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#35443: Jul 2nd 2024 at 5:39:02 PM

They rely on gritty realism and character development, something the Big 2 lack though I don’t know if it applies to older comics. Maybe I should judge something on its own merits.

I’m more looking for a piece of history.

Edited by ChicoTheParakeet on Jul 2nd 2024 at 8:40:28 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35444: Jul 2nd 2024 at 6:15:54 PM

Depending on what era of comics you look at the Big 2 have had plenty of gritty realism and character development, but Spider-Man's early years in particular strive to be pretty grounded without being grim. Peter was unable to cash a check due to lacking a bank account in Spider-Man's name, bought a crummy Spider-Man costume from a store, which gradually shrank in the water and during battles, and he had to sew his costume himself, as he couldn't go elsewhere for repairs. He was also a loner and friendless compared to other heroes of the time and only really gained a supportive supporting cast once he graduated high school, but despite it all he persevered.

For long-term development both DC and Marvel have had some gems, but Spidey stands out as being very consistently solid from the 60s on up until the mid-90s or so, and even then it bounced back after a bad period until One More Day happened.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 2nd 2024 at 9:17:46 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35445: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:19:37 PM

When a work crows about its gritty realism that usually just means violence and gore for the sake of violence and gore.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35446: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:34:37 PM

Or awkwardly inserted sexual stuff.

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CheapMarzipan A Low Cost Confection Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
A Low Cost Confection
#35447: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:37:53 PM

The issues of Lee/Ditko Spider-Man I’ve read were interesting in a historical value sense - seeing were it began and all, but I wouldn’t look to them (or any Silver Age comic) if you’re looking for something gritty like Invincible or The Boys.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jul 2nd 2024 at 9:38:28 AM

ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#35448: Jul 2nd 2024 at 8:36:23 PM

I’m not looking for anything gritty, I just find they’re breaking the mold compared to anything from the Big 2. I’ve been reading older comics lately, I wanted a recommendation for a character I grew up with through film and television. With all that said, I do expect something different.

Edited by ChicoTheParakeet on Jul 2nd 2024 at 11:52:41 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35449: Jul 2nd 2024 at 9:44:30 PM

Next arc post-Wells is called The Eight Deaths of Spider-Man and features Kelly, Ed Mcguiness and 'more'. Might be another Beyond situation after all.

Kelly also gets to write Bailey in the preview.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 2nd 2024 at 9:44:40 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35450: Jul 2nd 2024 at 9:53:40 PM

So are we even going to get Green Goblin back, or is he going to be a good guy now?

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