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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35401: Jun 26th 2024 at 5:26:59 PM

I know a lot of established writers won't write on the book, but would it be so bad to get some new blood on here?

Only using the BND crew feels like spinning wheels.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35402: Jun 26th 2024 at 6:06:49 PM

Some would say that everything for years has been spinning wheels, really.

Edited by Blueace on Jun 26th 2024 at 9:08:59 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#35403: Jun 26th 2024 at 6:57:45 PM

The problem is that there's really no point in anyone who isn't a BND writer to write it. It's one of the worst kept secrets,that ASM is one of the most heavily editorial controlled books in the business. No one will be allowed to stray from the sacred "young single loser" status quo,so you're severely limited in what you can actually write. If you've seen one "down on his luck,the whole world hates him,can't catch a break" Spider-Man story,you've kinda seen them all. And we've been getting that for a decade and a half now.

Edited by knightstorm on Jun 26th 2024 at 6:58:43 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35404: Jun 26th 2024 at 10:20:47 PM

At least Joe Kelly's good at humour. And he did create all-time classic character Lady Stilt-Man.

So even if his run is just more wheel-spinning, it could still at least be a fun time, with any luck.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35405: Jun 26th 2024 at 10:24:44 PM

Ultimate Spider-Man's gonna have it's best year yet then

And as long as Dematties keeps doing minis, I'm good with ASM just being 'there'

Spencer's run wasn't perfect, but it still felt like it had the perfect ending to the whole series.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 26th 2024 at 10:26:00 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35406: Jun 27th 2024 at 12:39:33 AM

Also seeing speculation that, because the preview for the Kelly run is being promoted in a book edited by Devin Lewis and not Nick Lowe, it means Lowe might be stepping down soon.

At the ending of the Black Cat/Jackpot mini, there was also a sign off letter from another editor that wasn't Lowe.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35407: Jun 27th 2024 at 7:01:26 AM

[up] I know I was apprehensive about it on Discord, but come to think of it, wasn't there speculation/rumors that a writer that Marvel had locked for ASM needed to finish a previous run before committing to ASM?

The original rumor was that it'd be a bridging run with guest writers like Beyond, but what if this Joe Kelly run is that bridging run? To really dial things back to normal because Wells can't or won't do it? Like how Mark Waid and Chris Samnee did a 5-issue mini for Captain America after Secret Empire rendered Steve more radioactive than the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant?

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35408: Jun 27th 2024 at 9:12:10 AM

[up] Depends on how many books Kelly has. A brief stint won't hurt, but even if it's just to get ASM up to 1000, that's still a few years off.

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#35409: Jun 27th 2024 at 5:06:50 PM

Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 #4. Considering this is likely Peter David's final time writing Spider-Man 2099, I wonder if he's really killing Gabriel like that. The only bit of doubt is President Doom recruiting him to remove Miguel's symbiote. Kron and Miguel doing more "brotherly bonding" in the museum was funny.

Latest blog update (November 5th, 2022).
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35410: Jun 27th 2024 at 7:18:11 PM

So finished Superior.

Of course Dan Slott would end this series by having Doc Ock save the day.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35411: Jun 28th 2024 at 8:12:38 AM

I hope Otto erasing his memories of both Peter's ID and Anna Maria doesn't mean we've seen the last of her character, she seems to have had her faith in Otto restored and she believes he's capable of good again

Slott's had his issues, but I have enjoyed his team with Bagley, the books were mainly covers of past hits but they were more engaging than when he told all this the first time, at least to a jaded old cur like me.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35412: Jun 28th 2024 at 9:06:11 AM

Also Slott writing looks like Steve Ditko and Stan Lee run level when we have Zeb Wells ASM to compare to.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35413: Jun 28th 2024 at 10:37:24 AM

I think Slott’s main problem was that he was on Amazing too long.

Usually a longer run is better since a writer can really make a distinct era for the character and build up their supporting cast. But with Spider-Man and the editorial constraints on the character, Slott leaned into some goofy gimmick eras instead. Peter Parker, tech millionaire is the thing you do when you just want to do anything different.

His other problems are procrastination, which is just rude in a group project. Trolling readers because controversy sells. And yelling at the internet.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35414: Jun 28th 2024 at 6:52:13 PM

Yeah, Dan Slott's writing and online persona is very loud and shock jockey. Superior Spider-Man 2013 is Dan Slott at his most Dan Slott IMO.

He's not a bigot but he has done some pretty dumb shit when trying to be progressive.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#35415: Jun 28th 2024 at 9:05:35 PM

Another voiced/animated page from Spectacular Spider-Men, with Andrew Kishino as Arcade and Josh Keaton as Mentallo and Hammerhead.

Latest blog update (November 5th, 2022).
AFan Since: Nov, 2022
#35416: Jun 29th 2024 at 7:30:50 AM

Has anyone talked about how punchable Paul's face is? I know that there's a lot of other problems associated with him, but good God in most panels I've seen him in he has this smarmy, smug look on his face and I just want to punch it so badly.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35417: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:05:23 AM

I think thats the energy he’s supposed to invoke in general.

The dude bro slicked back hair sells it.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 29th 2024 at 11:05:44 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35418: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:15:02 AM

Did Marvel give up on the idea that we are supposed to like him?

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35419: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:16:43 AM

Yeah. I have noticed that.

I feel like either that's a choice of the artists to make him as unlikeable as possible, despite editorial refusing to let him go, or that Marvel isn't even trying to hide the fact that he exists solely to keep MJ and Peter apart.

Do we know if anyone working on the book actually likes Paul? Because it seems like there's not much effort to do anything with him, probably due to that transparent role.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35420: Jun 29th 2024 at 8:58:30 AM

Celeste Bronfman devoted a whole page of Jackpot/Black Cat to Paul getting his face punched in.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 29th 2024 at 9:09:35 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35422: Jun 29th 2024 at 10:22:58 AM

Ok. Marvel, just give up on him.

Don't invent a character to just be an obstacle to someone else.

That's a shitty position to put them in. And every writer and fan is absolutely burying this guy.

Just stop and put him out of his and everyone else's misery.

Even if fans will probably only be satisfied if he's sent to hell and suffers forever. I would just prefer he disappears.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35423: Jun 29th 2024 at 10:26:16 AM

We may have need of his ship breaking potential though

For example, he could start dating Wolverine

Pros: breaks the stupid love triangle, Wolverine’s love interests tend to die for dramas

Cons: None, this is a perfect idea

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35424: Jun 29th 2024 at 10:41:58 AM

I feel pity for Paul.

Yes, he's a pointless character who sucks and has no other purpose but to get in the way of MJ and Peter...which is kinda why I pity him. He never even had a chance to be anything else. He was always going to be controversial, and he's probably worse than Carlie Cooper (who at least seemed to get better once Marvel pulled her out of that role).

But with Paul, they seem more stubborn than ever about it. Like, it's almost as if they knew he'd be unpopular and want him to be as hated as possible, because they don't care as long as he's firmly in the way of Peter and MJ.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35425: Jun 29th 2024 at 10:47:36 AM

Paul is not real. So don't get worked up over him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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