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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35376: Jun 23rd 2024 at 3:14:01 PM

I think the totem stuff from JMS' run fit perfectly and gave a really fresh take on the character.

The first arc with Morlun is really good (yeah, there's a minor continuity snafu with Peter calling Morlun the strongest or the first to really tick him off, but I'd say don't take that too literally) and I love the way Peter overcomes him in the end, as well as him sticking to his science roots and never fully buying into the totem stuff.

And in the end, the totem stuff is largely about Ezekiel anyway, who has just been misdirecting his problems onto Peter.

Spider-verse is where it all went wrong (as usual for Spider-verse).

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35377: Jun 23rd 2024 at 6:22:59 PM

[up][up] Okay, but they did retcon Judas Traveller as a delusional mutant.

It's also pretty telling even the Clone Saga writers didn't like him, had no idea what to do with him, and felt he was out of place.

Like all magical parts of Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35378: Jun 24th 2024 at 9:06:33 AM

ComicBookMovie.com: ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #6 Tops AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #52 In Terms Of Sales By A Massive 50%!

If this doesn't turn heads at Marvel and gets them thinking "hey, maybe we're going at ASM the wrong way," I honestly don't know what will at this point.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35379: Jun 24th 2024 at 9:31:24 AM

But at the moment they get all those ASM sales and all those USM sales. If ASM was the same as USM, would they still sell those numbers of both, or would they just be diluting USM's appeal and cannibalising their existing audience?

It's not as if ASM is a sales failure. And it's too soon to say whether USM will still have that following when it reaches its own #52 (although it's off to a great start).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35380: Jun 24th 2024 at 2:09:04 PM

Catching up on Miles book, it's funny how Miles now has a friendship with Scorpion who in the book is portrayed as a fairly honorable and decent chap.

When this is the same guy who went full cannibal during his tenure as Venom.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35381: Jun 24th 2024 at 2:11:45 PM

Really? Thought Gargan is usually up there as one of the most evil members of The rogues gallery.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35382: Jun 24th 2024 at 2:13:17 PM

Some people need refreshers on how evil a given rogue tends to be.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35383: Jun 24th 2024 at 2:16:17 PM

Well he's still villainous, but now it's sort of a working man villain where he's old and tired and forced into Suicide Squad-esaque conscription by Agent Gao.

Plus a dash of enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the Carnage Reigns crossover had Scorpion working alongside and protecting Miles from Carnage. Him and the Thunderbolts helped Miles, Iron Man, and Rascal save New York.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 24th 2024 at 2:16:47 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35384: Jun 24th 2024 at 2:27:19 PM

I mean, comic book villains tend to shift exactly how evil they are with how different writers can approach their character.

Doc Ock can go Affably Evil and serve Aunt May cookies and tea, to attempting to commit mass genocide out of spite.

Ditto Mysterio who can go from harmless villain who just wants attention, to psychopath who wants to drive Daredevil insane for petty reasons to being pals with MJ.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35385: Jun 24th 2024 at 3:36:21 PM

Unlike most villains, they never even really tried to give Scorpion a tragic backstory or anything. He was bored of his job so he became evil, that's all there is to it.

He's one of the guys they want us to empathize with the least.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35386: Jun 24th 2024 at 9:25:49 PM

Thought sometimes, he's portrayed sympathetically because he's stuck to his Scorpion suit and/or driven mad by the process.

The classic PS 1 videogame and 90s show went with those ideas.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35387: Jun 24th 2024 at 10:07:50 PM

The comics did the stuck in his suit thing too, but revealed it was psychosomatic and could escape it anytime.

I'm not sure if the experiment had any effect on Mac in 616, because he's also one of the villains we've probably seen the least of pre-transformation, even in flashback sequences. I'm leaning towards no, because The Human Fly, the only other guy to go through the same transformation process, was explicitly a terrible guy before the transformation and acted the exact same afterwards.

Edited by Joshbones on Jun 24th 2024 at 10:08:24 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35388: Jun 25th 2024 at 3:41:21 PM

I’ve been playing The Spider-Man PS 4 game recently and got annoyed with the pigeon side quests so it got me thinking, does Spider-Man have a pigeon-based villain?

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#35389: Jun 25th 2024 at 7:25:09 PM

Spider-Boy's friend Christina was turned into a pigeon Humanimal by Madame Monstrosity, but she stayed good.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35390: Jun 26th 2024 at 4:25:22 AM

Black Cat/Jackpot just kind of ends flatly.

In order of who had the most energy:

Paul: Somehow I helped.

Felicia: Well...guess my soul-yearning love for Obscura didn't pan out

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35391: Jun 26th 2024 at 7:35:09 AM

Somehow Paulpatine assisted

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35392: Jun 26th 2024 at 8:30:45 AM

Superior Spider-Man Finale: Otto wiped his mind of all memory of Peter's identity and Anna Maria

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35394: Jun 26th 2024 at 8:43:12 AM

[up] Haven't read the issue yet, just saw the scan on BC and read vague spoilers about the ending on a forum

Spectacular Spider-Men also reveals that Miles is legitimately in love with Kamala, it's not just Arcade's illusion

Edited by Zarius on Jun 26th 2024 at 8:43:44 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35395: Jun 26th 2024 at 9:06:53 AM

I think Morlun’s threat decay is more a consequence of how his role changed over time.

Morlun initially wasn’t really a villain, exactly. He wasn’t really there to carry the plot or anything. He had a personality, but he was mostly just there to be a big, unstoppable *thing* that Peter needed his totem power-up to defeat. A backdrop and an excuse for that power-up to be necessary, triggering the much more involved actual plot of the story, and immediately removed the moment the larger story was done with him.

Like how the MCU Thor film treated the Destroyer armor, essentially. He was just there to be unbeatably strong, so he was unbeatably strong, end of character description.

Later, when he started to reappear, Morlun had to be retooled into an actual character, so he had to be a more conventional supervillain with a more conventional affect on the story, which meant he had to be more conventionally defeatable since his stories could no longer be excuse plots for Spidey going Super Saiyan. This got even worse for him when they decided to give him a whole squad of like minded villains, because Conservation of Ninjutsu.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 26th 2024 at 9:36:25 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35396: Jun 26th 2024 at 12:55:03 PM

[up][up][up]The plot of the issue was that he made everyone in the world have his brainwaves, so to reverse that, he had to mess up his own mind.

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#35397: Jun 26th 2024 at 3:22:02 PM

Regarding Spectacular Spider-Men, I took that more as Miles discovering he had some attraction to Kamala that had been pushed to the back of his mind until now. I wonder if that'll have some ramifications later on or even in his own title.

Latest blog update (November 5th, 2022).
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35398: Jun 26th 2024 at 3:24:54 PM

Might make his romantic relationships awkward for a bit, depending on how much of that lingers. But it's not Spider-Man without some romance drama, I guess.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35399: Jun 26th 2024 at 3:53:38 PM

Based on info in ''Moon Knight'' #0, Bleeding Cool is reporting that the new Amazing Spider-Man writer will be Joe Kelly

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#35400: Jun 26th 2024 at 4:19:28 PM

[up]At least they're not pretending that the book will ever be anything other than locked in the same Groundhog Day time loop for all eternity.

Edited by knightstorm on Jun 26th 2024 at 4:20:32 AM


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