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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35326: Jun 20th 2024 at 11:32:51 AM

Yeah but what’s the lore reason on how MJ became Carnage here?

During King in Black, Spider-Gwen tried to "nope" her way out of the entire invasion by returning to her own dimension. It failed and the Mary Jane of her universe got pulled into 616.

Knull took notice of how unique both these 2 were and for a laugh singled out Mary Jane, bonded her to a symbiote, and dubbed her "Carnage" in a twisted display of respect for Cletus freeing him.

He may or may not have implanted some of the Carnage symbiote's bloodlust into the symbiote bonded to Mary Jane too, further copying him beyond just the name.

But yeah Gwen manages to get the symbiote off of Mary Jane and send her back to their home universe, but unfortunately didn't get all of it. Sometime later the Jackal of their universe captured Mary Jane and managed to reactivate the Carnage clone leftovers and she started rampaging again. Gwen managed to calm M Jarnage down, and now she has been trying to tame the symbiote ever since.

But that last part happened right before Gwen decided to migrate to 616 permanently so we don't know how MJ is doing.

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SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35327: Jun 20th 2024 at 11:52:21 AM

But that last part happened right before Gwen decided to migrate to 616 permanently

She didn't exactly go intentionally, she was hidden there by the Time Variance Authority and was meant to be keeping a low profile. That lasted 20 minutes.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35328: Jun 20th 2024 at 2:56:44 PM

Fuck, Spider-Gwen has chosen to stay in 616 how many times already?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35329: Jun 20th 2024 at 3:24:57 PM

Three?

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35330: Jun 20th 2024 at 3:25:13 PM

She didn't choose this time though. The tva choose for her, and since she had some semblance of life in 616 they let her go there but told her to lie low

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35331: Jun 20th 2024 at 4:07:31 PM

Of course the TVA is doing this.

Synergy and what not.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35332: Jun 20th 2024 at 4:11:26 PM

I'm surprised they haven't tried pulling off a sacred timeline bit but that would invalidate the MCU. [lol]

I do recall Spider-Verse making it a point that 616 Peter is the Peter all Peter Parker Spider-people are based on.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35333: Jun 20th 2024 at 7:14:40 PM

Yeah, at this point I honestly don't know which universe Marvel would say is the One True Universe if it came down to it, 616 or the MCU.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35334: Jun 20th 2024 at 7:26:42 PM

They're both 616.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35335: Jun 20th 2024 at 9:55:16 PM

Sometime later the Jackal of their universe

It was 616 Jackal, or one of his many clones. He actually killed Earth-65 Miles Warren, because Warren-65 thought it was creepy how Jackal was lusting after a teenager.

Spider-Gwen has chosen to stay in 616 how many times already?

Twice and neither were by choice.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 20th 2024 at 9:56:11 AM

Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#35336: Jun 21st 2024 at 3:56:16 AM

It wasn't the Jackal who recreated Carnage, it was Bruce Banner.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35337: Jun 21st 2024 at 9:04:36 AM

Rumours are circulating, allegedly from a retailer over on a well known comic book forum, that ASM might end up with a few guest writers and a bridging arc again (like there was with Beyond after Spencer) because the writer Marvel have locked in has yet to finish his run on another book, and apparently you can't do that and ASM at the same time.

It's all very salt shaker, we'll have to wait and see.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35338: Jun 21st 2024 at 9:33:25 AM

I wonder who they got this time?

There are many writers who've decided to nope out due to the tightness of the current status quo.

We've discussed that it needs to be someone who tows the party line but who's willing to do that, and still manage to write the kind of stories they want?

Also, found this video on Youtube of Spidey being blamed for the stupidity of others:

Anyone know what issue this is? I'm kinda curious now.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35339: Jun 21st 2024 at 9:44:12 AM

Looks like Marvel Knights.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#35340: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:21:51 AM

Yeah...they're pretty much stuck. What the editorial wants...and what readers want are completely opposite and opposing things. Something is going to have to give

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35341: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:23:59 AM

Spidey being so popular is both a blessing and a curse, but lately the popular image is him as a mentor to Miles.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#35342: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:28:21 AM

[up]Yep. It's really only ASM that insists he has to be some young and inexperienced rookie. Movies and games let him be the hero with years of experience that he should be at this point.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35343: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:31:45 AM

Best case scenario is probably Ewing IMO. He’s been working his way through Marvel’s titles sowing his cosmic Myth Arc for a while now, but he hasn’t touched Spidey lore yet, the totems and Master Weaver and such. At least he’d probably focus on that rather than making Peter miserable.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35344: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:41:34 AM

Unfortunately it's deep Spidey lore that Peter be miserable.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35345: Jun 21st 2024 at 12:21:41 PM

Rumours are circulating, allegedly from a retailer over on a well known comic book forum, that ASM might end up with a few guest writers and a bridging arc again (like there was with Beyond after Spencer) because the writer Marvel have locked in has yet to finish his run on another book, and apparently you can't do that and ASM at the same time.

It's all very salt shaker, we'll have to wait and see.

Fascinating... One of my anti-OMD guys on Twitter has noticed that Jed MacKay's Vengeance of the Moon Knight and Doctor Strange plus Al Ewing's Venom are close to packing it up.

Yeah...they're pretty much stuck. What the editorial wants...and what readers want are completely opposite and opposing things. Something is going to have to give

I'm probably giving my copium too much attention again, but I recall that Nick Lowe was reminiscing about ASM stuff he edited on. It's probably a dead end, but he's never done it before and it almost seems like something one would do if they got marching orders to go out the door...

Best case scenario is probably Ewing IMO. He’s been working his way through Marvel’s titles sowing his cosmic Myth Arc for a while now, but he hasn’t touched Spidey lore yet, the totems and Master Weaver and such. At least he’d probably focus on that rather than making Peter miserable.

Oh god, I f*cking wish. I gave up on the notion when someone pointed out how Ewing doesn't seem to have strong feelings for Spider-Man, but if his Venom books are wrapping up... (But wasn't there a rumor about Ewing packing up for the Distinct Competition?)

In any case, it's as Zarius says, this is all very salt shaker-y...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 21st 2024 at 3:22:07 PM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35346: Jun 21st 2024 at 2:34:51 PM

[up]I've also heard talk that Ewing is heading over to DC soonish. Whether that means he's leaving Marvel entirely or just going to be doing books at both companies remains to be seen, though I'd imagine it's probably the latter, as Immortal Thor has only just really begun and Ewing is pretty clearly focusing a lot of attention on that, plus saying he wants it to run til at least issue 50 like Immortal Hulk did, maybe beyond that.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35347: Jun 21st 2024 at 3:13:26 PM

Ewing recently wrote one story for DC, in an anthology; I haven’t seen any evidence beyond gossip that he’s “changing teams” entirely.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35348: Jun 21st 2024 at 3:21:46 PM

It's mostly rumors that Ewing is going to be writing a book for DC's own upcoming Ultimate version Absolute DC.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
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#35349: Jun 22nd 2024 at 12:01:06 AM

An Ultimate Universe is a lot less appealing for DC comics. They've undone Crisis on Infinite Earths five times already. Why not just go back to one of those many, many discarded "universes", "multiverses" at this point and make the current setting the "Ultimate One"? Back to something resembling that old Earth Two-Earth One setup only the Earth Two and Earth Ones both have their own dedicated set of published books...

Oh wait, Vertigo basically was DC's Ultimate Universe on top of all that. Why not just bring that back and or push it harder?

I wouldn't mind seeing Marvel's own "Vertigo" get seriously invested in rather than DC going "Ultimate".

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jun 22nd 2024 at 12:02:30 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35350: Jun 22nd 2024 at 12:15:05 AM

Because Vertigo is nothing like the Ultimate Universe.

And bringing back old universes wouldn't work either. The point of the Absolute/Ultimate setting is to start fresh with new intereprations of the characters.

Bringing back old universes with a lot of continuity is literally the exact opposite of the entire purpose of the concept.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 22nd 2024 at 12:19:29 PM

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