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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35251: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:02:55 PM

A thought that came to me due to the current conversation: what does the concept of moving on from a loved one's death even mean in a setting where death is very much not the end? Has there ever been a comic that tackled that question?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35252: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:11:31 PM

A thought that came to me due to the current conversation: what does the concept of moving on from a loved one's death even mean in a setting where death is very much not the end? Has there ever been a comic that tackled that question?

X-Factor had Siryn refuse to mourn her uncle, Banshee, because she was certain he'd be back eventually and everyone treated her like she was deeply emotionally unhealthy and eventually causd her to break down and mourn him.

And of course he came back.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#35253: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:15:36 PM

It's kind of just a throwaway line, but there's also Martian Manhunter's funeral in Final Crisis, where Superman literally ends his eulogy with "We'll pray for a resurrection".

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35254: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:15:58 PM

An X-Man being treated as delusional for believing someone will come back from the dead is <Graham Chapman Colonel voice> terribly, terribly silly </Graham Chapman Colonel voice>

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35255: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:46:20 PM

Gwen fans tend to not accept the faults in the writing and often voice double standards as to why MJ is a bad fit for Spider-Man.

I can in complete seriousness say I've never met a Gwen fan who acted like that. Maybe it was different in the '80s?

If anything, I've seen more of the aforementioned behavior from MJ fans. Whenever she's written as anything other than an uncomplicated supportive love interest (like in the Raimi films) she's accused of being written terribly even though that specific incarnation of her is much nicer than how she started out. MJ fans also really love bringing up the Sam Bullit story where Gwen gets conned into supporting a white supremacist despite the story making it clear that Bullit is hiding his racist views from both Gwen and Jameson. If anything, Bullit had to put much more effort into swaying Gwen to his side and use less obvious dog whistles than in his conversations with Gwen.

And I say all of this as an MJ fan but her fandom has been annoyingly insecure and prone to taking out their frustrations on other love interests for a long time now. Some are still mad about a joke Emma Stone made at MJ's expense back when she hosted SNL in 2011.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 15th 2024 at 4:46:32 PM

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#35256: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:57:47 PM

I for one didn't mind Silk's date rape powers. I wasn't sad to see them go, but I think her and Peter had some potential as a couple, if someone had actually tried to develop them into a couple rather insisting Silk be crucial to the next big event because she's so special even though she's also a pretty worthless newb. A potentially great player who can run and jump but can't yet sink a basket.

Gwen Stacy though? There's this weird decade plus trend at this point of pretending she was more likeable and interesting alive than actually was, and why? Those who know the character know she wasn't like that and those who don't, well she's dead! Who is the audience here? If you wanted to break up Peter Parker and MJ, well don't do it with a time altering demon dealt abortion! Gwen Stacy's got little to nothing to do with that. She's just been over shilled for reasons that don't make sense. Say what you will about Ben Reiley, but he actually had better web shooters than Peter, Kaine actually had abilities better than Spider-Man, as do Venom, Carnage, Silk, Miles, etc. What exactly about Gwen Stacy suggests she have three alternates crawling around 616 at once, even if one is a Joke Character making fun of her post humus Wolverine Publicity?

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35257: Jun 16th 2024 at 1:08:15 AM

Aside the resurrection angle there's also the fact that most religions and afterlives seem to be true as well so you got that weight off your chest too. [lol]

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35258: Jun 16th 2024 at 2:04:59 AM

Given the original Wedding was a publicity stunt, they tried to get rid of MJ in the 90s in a plane crash, and One More Day and all I can't blame her fanbase for being a little paranoid.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35259: Jun 16th 2024 at 5:21:57 AM

I think Hickman's take on Gwen in 6160 is probably where she would have ended up if given unlimited time and she never died, honestly.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35260: Jun 16th 2024 at 8:28:04 AM

[up] I feel a lot of what Liz became around Harry in his Goblin days could easily have fit Gwen's persona if they had been married.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 16th 2024 at 8:32:58 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35261: Jun 17th 2024 at 5:27:18 PM

Man, weird to think that Gwen slept with Harry and Norman in different universes. Sure the latter got retconned but we saw her fucking Norman.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35262: Jun 17th 2024 at 6:11:50 PM

Hah. Now Gwen is known for dying and fucking Norman.

And then she went back to being known for just dying.

I think the only other notable thing about her is that every single adaptation and alternate universe version of her is better, including then one with Spider Powers.

One Strip! One Strip!
chino514 (Apprentice)
#35263: Jun 17th 2024 at 6:32:13 PM

Even the one from how we know there's such thing as too much nerd?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35264: Jun 17th 2024 at 6:56:01 PM

People also know Gwen Stacy from the cartoons, Spider-Gwen, Amazing Spider-Man, and Ultimate Spider-Man.

Gwen has a big fanbase.

The spin offs are still Gwen.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35265: Jun 17th 2024 at 7:17:18 PM

Yeah but are they fans of OG Gwen?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35266: Jun 17th 2024 at 7:50:57 PM

I don't know if anyone is a fan of OG Gwen. Like, the things most people like about her seem to be how her alternate selves are more interesting.

Plus, they don't seem to put Peter under half as much stress.

I do still think it's a shame that Gwen died without learning Peter's secret. There was a lot of room for development for both of them as she's force to come to grips with learning the person she loves is also the one she blames for the death of her dad, while he'd be force to deal with her becoming a part of his life as a hero.

But that's not how it went down. And MJ surpassed Gwen in every way that mattered.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35267: Jun 18th 2024 at 2:35:20 AM

[up] Me.cool

I don't think OG Gwen is a great character but she's generally fine? I like her more than all of the spin-offs, many of which just feel like Gwen In Name Only.

Ultimate might be my favorite, but I think they made some really weird decisions there.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35268: Jun 18th 2024 at 3:23:59 AM

People who got their copies of Ultimate Spider-Man#6 early are over the moon with it, one saying Transformers has "one month to prepare" because USM is the best book on the market, and the other saying the ending to #6 is so joyous they teared up. So it looks as though there's another incoming Take That! to 616

Edited by Zarius on Jun 18th 2024 at 3:24:57 AM

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#35269: Jun 18th 2024 at 6:26:31 AM

For the record, other than universe wide events like Infinity Gauntlet, only supers come back from the dead in superhero universes. "Normies", 99% of humanity, remain dead, so for the most part it doesn't make a change. The average person in a superhero universe probably has no idea the superhero or villain who just came back is the original or a successor to the title.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35270: Jun 18th 2024 at 6:29:59 AM

I can see New Yorkers just getting numb to the horrors when there are so many Goblins.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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Confirmed Doomer
#35271: Jun 18th 2024 at 6:39:51 AM

[up] Even apart from the parade of Goblins, I'm sure that Marvel's civilians have long been Conditioned to Accept Horror from having to live in a superhero universe and experiencing the kinds of hellish things that come with it (periodic Hulk rampages, half of all life suddenly and inexplicably being snuffed out, Galactus coming to Earth to consume it, so many alien invasions, paranoia about a great replacement of humanity by mutants, supervillain-caused mass murders that make mass shootings look tame by comparison, heroes suddenly and inexplicably turning evil, genocide-robots, etc.). I'd be amazed if that wasn't a primary cause for the Marvel Universe being such an infamous World of Jerkass, both within and without Spidey's little corner of it.

Edited by TrashJack on Jun 18th 2024 at 9:41:37 AM

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#35273: Jun 18th 2024 at 7:53:29 AM

[up] She-Hulk, Hellcat and Shocker teaming together!

Is this the first time Shocker's been advertised as a core cast member for a series?

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#35274: Jun 18th 2024 at 7:55:03 AM

[up] You mean, apart from Superior Foes?

Edited by TrashJack on Jun 18th 2024 at 10:55:19 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
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#35275: Jun 18th 2024 at 7:57:52 AM

I'd forgotten that one. Thanks!


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