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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35201: Jun 14th 2024 at 2:30:46 AM

[up] Keep in mind there were similar panics when MJ hid her symbiote use from Peter in Renew Your Vows, or when 616 MJ was working with Mysterio in Spencer's era, and in both instances both Peter and MJ came out of both experiences stronger and with minimal fuss.

So maybe one shouldn't assume the worst.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 14th 2024 at 2:31:57 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35202: Jun 14th 2024 at 2:33:00 AM

I'm not assuming the worst.

They have to milk the marriage drama first and THEN they can get to the worst. [lol]

Canon event that Peter has to lose a loved one at the hands of the Green Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35203: Jun 14th 2024 at 10:46:01 AM

[up]And that whatever police captain he gets chummy with is gonna bite the big one saving a kid from a falling building. Otherwise the universe destroys itself.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 14th 2024 at 10:46:20 AM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Freshwater Since: Apr, 2023
#35204: Jun 14th 2024 at 11:37:01 AM

Meanwhile in universe 15049:

Peter Parker explains his day to MJ. "Yeah, it was a super weird day. First I find out they are getting rid of Cap'n Crunch cereal and then Green Goblin throws my pet rock off a bridge."

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#35205: Jun 14th 2024 at 11:41:14 AM

First I find out they are getting rid of Cap'n Crunch cereal

GASP! That means that SOGGIES MAY RULE!

Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathon
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35206: Jun 14th 2024 at 11:48:18 AM

Spider-Man and Cap'n Crunch have met before so it wouldn't be the weirdest thing to happen...

The Protomen enhanced my life.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35207: Jun 14th 2024 at 1:32:05 PM

Solicits for the next Ultimate Marvel unveils the new Sinister Six

Kingpin, a male Black Cat, Kraven, Mister Negative, Mysterio, and surprisingly Mole Man

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35208: Jun 14th 2024 at 4:08:43 PM

[up]I'm guessing thats Walter hardy, Felicia's dad. Also mysterio should be 616 mysterio too again somehow

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35209: Jun 14th 2024 at 4:12:17 PM

I support Peter and Male Black Cat tension.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35210: Jun 14th 2024 at 4:14:53 PM

I’m still bummed out we never learn how exactly Mysterio was able to travel across dimensions and plant a robot double of himself.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35211: Jun 14th 2024 at 4:23:03 PM

Im just wondering why he never did anything to try and get at Peter since he knew he was spider-man in another universe. Or did Gabriel and sarahs demon souls controlled by the evil Harry a.i. tell him not to

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35212: Jun 14th 2024 at 5:24:51 PM

The writers kinda forgot Mysterio knows who Spider Man is.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35213: Jun 14th 2024 at 5:44:25 PM

Especially bad when you compare it to the absolute HELL that Mysterio put Daredevil through when he figured out his secret identity, including orchestrating the murder of Matt's first love. One would think he'd be even more brutal towards Spider-Man upon learning his secret and how best to fuck with him.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35214: Jun 14th 2024 at 5:54:45 PM

I actually like how Daredevil ripped him apart, saying the entire plan was just derivative of Wilson Fisk.

It was such a "The Reason You Suck" Speech that Mysterio took himself out.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 14th 2024 at 5:55:05 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35215: Jun 14th 2024 at 5:59:30 PM

[up]Yeah, "Guardian Devil" is a classic for a reason. It's one of Kevin Smith's best works, one of my favorite Daredevil arcs, and was the perfect send-off for Mysterio.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35216: Jun 14th 2024 at 6:15:10 PM

Like heckling the Joker, making fun of the fact Mysterio isn't a good performer/producer is the way to destroy him.

And he's NOT.

The only reason that Mysterio got his movie made was Mary Jane handheld him the entire way. Which was hilarious.

(Love that miniseries)

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 14th 2024 at 6:15:43 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35217: Jun 14th 2024 at 6:16:16 PM

Though it is weird.

I didn't know Mysterio and Daredevil ever even fought each other before that story.

I heard that Matt and Peter shared a few rogues (particularly Electro, and I know Pete's had run-ins with Bullseye and Typhoid Mary...and yeah, there's the Kingpin), but was Mysterio ever on that list?

One Strip! One Strip!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35218: Jun 14th 2024 at 6:18:30 PM

That's part of Matt's deconstruction.

Spider-Man wasn't available at the time and Daredevil is like, "So you picked a runner up?"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35219: Jun 14th 2024 at 7:03:44 PM

Mysterio can get a good trick off if he's subtle enough about it. He helps Tinkerer fake an alien invasion in issue two of the entire comic and it takes decades for Peter to realize something is up.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35220: Jun 14th 2024 at 7:06:50 PM

You’d think Mysterio would know that good artists copy, great artists steal

No shame in repeating plot beats if you make it your own and from what I’ve heard of guardian devil, he did

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35221: Jun 14th 2024 at 7:20:04 PM

It doesn’t help that writers are inconsistent with how evil Mysterio is supposed to be generally.

Guardian Devil at least had the excuse that Mysterio was dying of cancer so he wanted to go out with a big act.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35222: Jun 14th 2024 at 7:52:35 PM

Speaking of dimension hopping shenanigans, was it ever explained how Mac Gargan got back to 616 after the Codex arc?

#IceBearForPresident
GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35223: Jun 14th 2024 at 10:51:23 PM

[up]Nope. Apparently he just showed up back in time for Sinister War. I'm still bummed he never got to keep the Scorpion-themed symbiote. I think that would have been a nice middle ground between his time as Venom and still being his own character. Also everyone whose been Venom usually gets another symbiote anyways.

Also on a unrelated note I made a page for Spider-Man: Shadow of the Green Goblin that could use some help.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 14th 2024 at 10:52:09 AM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35224: Jun 14th 2024 at 11:17:35 PM

Gargan is an interesting character considering his tenure as Venom for the 2000s.

A surprisingly substantial change for the character who generally is a one-note psycho for the most part.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#35225: Jun 15th 2024 at 4:00:01 AM

There's three things to consider with Spider-Man's secret identity.

One is that Jackal created several Spider-Man clones, and it was widely believed the "first" Spider-Man everyone saw was one of them.

Two is that the government scarlet spider project successfully gave several operatives powers and equipment similar to Spider-Man's, and Peter Parker was revealed to have been one of these scarlet spider agents, with the strong suggestion he wasn't the original Spider-Man.

Three is that the One More Day Cosmic Retcon removed knowledge of who Spider-Man was even to people Peter Parker personally told and that retcon has since been strengthened by more events like One Moment In Time.

Now taking all that into account, have the writers forgotten what Mysterio was supposed to know, has new information caused Mysterio to have doubts, or has Mysterio just been a victim of the periodic Mephisto retcons? Believe me, I like to dunk on Marvel creative, and in a way I still am, but with Marvel it's often a lot more complicated than "I forgot".

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jun 15th 2024 at 5:30:54 AM

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