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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35151: Jun 11th 2024 at 8:59:58 AM

[up]Don't be ridiculous.

He'll clearly go for Devil May Cry.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35152: Jun 11th 2024 at 9:20:09 AM

The Iron Man 2020 armor had guilty gears on its shoulders

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35153: Jun 11th 2024 at 9:52:22 AM

So I do wonder is the upcoming chasm and Kaine book before or after chasm fighting spider-goblin.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35154: Jun 11th 2024 at 6:20:51 PM

I'm reminded that Spider-Man plays World of Warcaft sometimes.

You ever wonder if he thinks Anduin sounds familiar? Or if he just has a special hatred for Goblin players.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35155: Jun 11th 2024 at 8:54:08 PM

Amazing Spider-Man: Blood Hunt#2

...it's done, someone finally went and said "It's Moribin Time" in the comics. Morbius of course doesn't like it

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35156: Jun 11th 2024 at 8:57:10 PM
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35157: Jun 12th 2024 at 6:14:13 AM

That alone will ensure this issue sells a morbillion copies!

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35158: Jun 12th 2024 at 6:40:19 AM

Meh. Not the first time an official marvel work has said it. Midnight sons made this same joke. DC and marvel at least have a sense of humor for stuff like this (same with DC and the Martha stuff).

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35159: Jun 12th 2024 at 7:31:55 AM

Morbius is kinda doomed to be associated with that phrase forever. Something he never said.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35160: Jun 12th 2024 at 7:33:26 AM

My first thought when I think of Morbius is how the 90's cartoon censored him and made him scarier.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35161: Jun 12th 2024 at 7:35:51 AM

I wonder if it's a coincidence the characters who had their heyday in the 90s show, Morbius and Madame Web were chosen to get movies made of them.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35162: Jun 12th 2024 at 7:43:04 AM

[up]Venom got a movie too, so you might be onto something. Granted his movies were much better received.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35163: Jun 12th 2024 at 7:47:32 AM

I think that was 80% Tom Hardy deciding to portray Eddie as a little unhinged and 10% the half-baked losers have to stick together theme

The remaining 10% is a sunspots or something

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35164: Jun 12th 2024 at 8:11:03 AM

Venom got lucky in a number of ways. As [up] observes, having Tom "batshit insane" Hardy along, ensuring that even if the movie isn't good, it'll be memorable and fun to watch, if only for his performance. The fact that he's more famous and widely known, being one of Spider-Man's most beloved villains and a strong contender for title of his archenemy. And the additional fact that - as proven by the Donny Cates run onwards - Venom can be reworked quite easily into his own independent thing from Spider-Man.

Morbius and Madame Web don't have that. Morbius is and always has been a supporting character to other characters. And Madame Web plus the other spider-themed characters used there (the Spider-Women, Ezekiel, Tarantula, etc.) are much more closely linked to Spider-Man's lore specifically in a way that makes it very hard to decouple them from it. Not to mention they're specifically linked to a more obscure, deeper-level aspect of the lore - the Spider-Totem and associated mysticism - that very few adaptations have tackled and none have really covered in-depth, meaning the movie was basically chucking the casual audiences into the deep end without a life vest (and not even doing the obscure lore justice because of how radically altered it was).

Furthermore, neither got actors who go anywhere near Hardy's bizarre wavelength of being both gonzo nuts and likable. Morbius was stuck with Jared Leto, who's increasingly seen as an obnoxious weirdo cult-leader with an embarrassingly shallow view of method acting. Madame Web had an okay cast, with Sydney Sweeny in particular really trying her best and going the extra mile of doing research into the comics for the role, but they were held back by the bad writing and direction and none of them had the crazed charisma to salvage it like Hardy does.

Edited by immortaleditor on Jun 12th 2024 at 8:14:11 AM

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Goku Black
#35165: Jun 12th 2024 at 8:31:02 AM

Matt Smith at least knew what he was suposed to br doing like Hardy. But everyone else missed the memo

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35166: Jun 12th 2024 at 11:30:10 AM

Spider-boy they were able to reverse all the humanimals except for Bailey because the rest of his DNA got turned into boy-spider and hellifino because he was spliced with two animals. His mom still doesn't remember him even after she is turned back but she does offer to let him stay. He goes off to find the picture he got from Santa and is accosted by puzzle-man who has a reality warping pencil. He erases Tabitha face from the picture and Bailey breaks his pencil and goes off to ask that arana and spider-woman fix things so he is remembered Overall a pretty fun issue with puzzle mans puzzles.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#35167: Jun 12th 2024 at 12:31:18 PM

Jared Leto is just not a very good actor.

Imagine if they'd hired Matt Smith to play Morbius and the script had been written by 100 monkeys at typewriters instead of ten.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35168: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:03:03 PM

Lizard vs Kraven is something I'm surprised doesn't happen much in the comics IIRC.

It happened in the Hunted arc, which was one of my favorite arcs of the last few years.

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#35169: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:36:51 PM

Kraven is a bit of a coward. Sure, he fronts, bolsters, chases down prey, but when his punch that can stop a charging elephant misses or fails to put down the quarry one time too many he tends to turn and run. Lizard's willing to kill, much more so than Spider-Man. Kraven not going out of his way to hunt Lizard makes sense.

Sure, if Lizard's at large and Kraven is in the area, he'll have to try, to preserve his reputation, but it's more about reputation than passion for Kraven. Even when he died it wasn't in a blaze of glory. It was suicide so that Spider-Man could never get his win back. He's only about maintaining that societal honor, not his own personal honor.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35170: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:40:53 PM

Yeah, that's why I never really respected Kraven as a villain. That honor of his is quite shallow.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35171: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:44:36 PM

Morbius is kinda doomed to be associated with that phrase forever. Something he never said.

Yeah that's the goofiest part. Unlike the Martha thing (I love how before this. No one remembered that batman and superman mums have the same name but now we all do.) this isn't even in the film but now it's weirdly iconic to him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35172: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:48:15 PM

[up][up][up] I've seen Kraven personally hunt down and engage in a fist fight with Venom. Well technically it was Agent Venom and he thought he was Spider-Man but still.

I wouldn't really call him a coward just because he's not seen hunting Lizard.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 12th 2024 at 3:48:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35173: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:49:10 PM

[up][up]no one has actually seen morbius which is how it became a meme

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35174: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:50:54 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah legit, when I saw BVS in the theater, I only then realized their moms have the same names.

I can never unlearn this basic yet obscure fact.

At least the bit in the comic doesn’t have Morbius himself say it.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 12th 2024 at 6:51:11 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35175: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:52:44 PM

I think knowing when to fold them is a good hunter skill

Kraven has fought a lot of dumb shit for his hunting fixation but he’s not got higher ideals for doing it. He’s not going to throw his life away except for those times he’s trying to throw his life away

In conclusion, Kraven is a land of contrasts.

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 12th 2024 at 3:53:16 AM

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