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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35101: Jun 10th 2024 at 9:29:38 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] It's this weird insistence on wanting to make the civilians useful. And the way they handled it is to have the science students getting into the action themselves and always having a science bullshit answer to the problem at hand.

Hell at times Spidey would spend a fight doing nothing but betting his ass kicked as he waits for students like Gwen and Anya to solve the problem for him.

[up][up][up] The current run has been really upgrading the Venom Blast, like the Insomniac games turning it into full lightning throwing and stuff.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 10th 2024 at 9:30:05 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35102: Jun 10th 2024 at 9:31:48 AM

Has anyone really dug into the other unique power he has with the camouflaging?

And I remember it was a problem when Bendis was still writing where the venom blast would solve all the problems. If it’s getting buffed, has it stopped being the end all fight ender?

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 10th 2024 at 9:32:32 AM

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35103: Jun 10th 2024 at 10:29:17 AM

I think Rhino of all people no-sold the Venom Blast

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35104: Jun 10th 2024 at 10:33:49 AM

I mean, I would hope so

He’s supposed to be a big tough durable guy

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#35105: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:00:31 AM

Rhino is the kind of guy who can trade blows with the Hulk.

Heck, Spider-Man usually has to outsmart him, because Rhino is far superior in terms of physical strength and can tank Spider-Man's hits.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35106: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:07:04 AM

If Rhino can get one shot with a taser then something has gone deeply stupid on the writing side of things

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35107: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:11:43 AM

Not as bad as the time Spider-Man sent Venom running away with a lighter.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/download_69_8.png

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35108: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:13:00 AM

Embarrassing

Remember how Venom spent a significant portion of Maximum Carnage completely helpless over a normal campfire?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35109: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:17:48 AM

Okay, TBF, IIRC, Venom was just playing along so he could disable something that Carnage had. I vaguely remember that when he made his escape he boasted to Carnage that he could have done so at any point.

Or maybe he was bullshitting. It's been a while.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35110: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:21:17 AM

I don’t think Carnage had anything to disable in Maximum Carnage

He and the carnage crew were just causing problems on purpose

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35111: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:23:42 AM

Hang on there's this panel I found online.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tumblr_1ef3ae6db99293698f7f4693d33395a6_8425a846_1280.jpg

Yeah, it was the sonic gun Carnage had.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35112: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:26:33 AM

I think he stole that sonic gun from Venom who stole it from Spider-Man who stole it from Reed Richards who is not getting reimbursed.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35113: Jun 10th 2024 at 12:50:46 PM

The escalation with Miles' Venom Strike is genuinely insane. Like, you look back at the original Ultimate comics where Miles debuted and it's handled so sensibly. It works like actual spider venom (paralyzing or weakening people), he has to touch them firmly to use it right, and while it's certainly a powerful weapon it's not extraordinarily so and stronger enemies can shrug it off or take lots of doses to feel it's affects. Then you skip to only a few years later and it's suddenly lightning that Miles can cast out of his hands and make laser swords with and can bring down people like fucking Blackheart, a literal demon. Like, oh yeah, the famous spider ability to SHOOT BOLTS OF ELECTRICITY from their limbs. And then you throw in his camo powers and he's basically unstoppable.

I genuinely think the problem may have arisen partly because Miles' early uses of it used electric-like drawings to indicate people being hit with the Venom Strikes and some idiot misinterpreted that as some kind of electricity and it bloomed out of control from there. It becoming game-breakingly strong has no such excuse. Nor, really, does taking a black superhero with a unique powerset and dumbing him down into just another Electric Black Guy.

I'm reminded of some Gag Dub of the Miles Morales game I saw awhile back where the dubbers kept making cracks about how they seemed to be trying to make Miles so unbeatable and badass and super-diverse in terms of power that it renders Peter unnecessary.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35114: Jun 10th 2024 at 12:56:47 PM

Now Spider-Boy has a poison bite that’s more like the original idea of Miles’ venom. And it’s awkward enough to use and makes him look monstery in a way he doesn’t like that it’s not used to solve every fight

Also, geez, it sure was a choice to give Miles a move with the same name as a prominent spider frenemy

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 10th 2024 at 12:57:39 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35115: Jun 10th 2024 at 12:57:02 PM

It stems from really wanting to gass up Miles and having him realize his "true potential".

It's a case of letting your love for the character go out of control and you go too far wanting to show off how awesome he is.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#35116: Jun 10th 2024 at 2:27:45 PM

Wasn't Miles' venom strike a Spider Woman reference anyway? You could use that as a reference, because her very similar ability was never as broken.

Edited by Joshbones on Jun 10th 2024 at 2:31:30 AM

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#35117: Jun 10th 2024 at 6:17:05 PM

Cody Ziglar is also an obvious anime and video game fan with how many references he incorporates into the dialogue and choreography (i.e. referring to the Humongous Mecha Frost Pharaoh has as a Gundam and using a Manji Kick against Rabble).

The Venom Saber is an explicit reference to Gundam's Beam Saber's, Kuwabara's Spirit Sword, and Vegito's similar sword attack.

I get the complaints with it because it leans Miles into being much more of an Electric Black Guy type of character than a spider-themed hero. But at the same time he and Frederico Vincentini clearly have a lot of love for their work and are clearly trying to move Miles' status quo along. So I can honestly look past the constant nerdy references if it means Miles has a more dynamic story than what editorial is imposing on Peter.

Edited by reppuzan on Jun 10th 2024 at 6:17:24 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35118: Jun 10th 2024 at 6:36:33 PM

Does the electric sword have tangibility?

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reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#35119: Jun 10th 2024 at 6:39:03 PM

Miles can parry swords with it during training at least, so yes, probably.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35120: Jun 10th 2024 at 6:41:21 PM

I don’t think electricity works that way

But if it does, that means Wasp can make sword too since she also goes pew pew with bio electricity

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35121: Jun 10th 2024 at 6:42:01 PM

Amusingly apparently the venom blast is why Miles was underused in the 2017 cartoon.

Because the show turned every antagonist into a gadget foe, that wound up making Miles a gamebreaker power because his venom blast functions like an emp blast and can short-circuit all the badguy tech, trivializing most of the villains.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35122: Jun 10th 2024 at 7:21:13 PM

Unironically, I sometimes wonder if Miles will have the ability to go into a pseudo Super Saiyan state with how anime his electric powers can get.

At least in the games.

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35123: Jun 10th 2024 at 7:28:52 PM

[up]With an unapolagetic anime fan writing his series, I'm suprised he hasn't already. And ngl i think that would be kinda cool.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 10th 2024 at 7:29:20 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35124: Jun 10th 2024 at 8:04:22 PM

Granted, how could we tell if he goes Super Saiyan if his hair is hidden by his mask?

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#35125: Jun 10th 2024 at 8:05:16 PM

[up]They could if he wore that hideous outfit he wears at the end of the PS 5 game.


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