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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#34901: May 22nd 2024 at 12:46:59 PM

The entire run will be revealed to be a result of Peter eating gas station sushi...having dreamed the entire thing.

Edited by knightstorm on May 22nd 2024 at 12:47:22 PM

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Goku Black
#34902: May 22nd 2024 at 12:47:56 PM

Are their any fear inducer Spider man villains. Maybe he's trapped inside one of those.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#34903: May 22nd 2024 at 12:49:13 PM

Just say that Mysterio drugged him or something, really.

Wake me up at your own risk.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34904: May 22nd 2024 at 12:55:15 PM

...Fuck this comic.

Agreed. First it turns out the spear didn't have sins in the first place and now Pete never trusted Norman from the start?

Even after the begging for the stupid suit?

God. Fucking. Damn it all. sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 22nd 2024 at 3:55:50 PM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#34905: May 22nd 2024 at 12:57:33 PM

[up]Even the writer doesn't seem to know what direction this run is supposed to be going in(other than over a cliff).

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34906: May 22nd 2024 at 2:02:35 PM

[up] Like, the nicest thing I could say about this sudden shift is that this is Wells trying to do some course-correcting to how things were post-Beyond but before his run.

But even that might be giving him too much credit. tongue

jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
#34907: May 22nd 2024 at 4:03:52 PM

Marvel is going for the youth market like Spidey/Marvel Adventures/Marvel Action with a high school spider man in Spider Man Homeroom Heroes and series based on Spidey and His Amazing Friends

Edited by jormis29 on May 25th 2024 at 4:50:43 AM

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#34908: May 22nd 2024 at 8:05:24 PM

The Spectacular Spider-Men #3: All of the "Meanwhile..." segments have been confirmed to be Arcade behind them using his technology, but he's working together with Mentallo. We see Peter and Miles having "ideal" lives where the former is married to Gwen Stacy and has kids, while the latter is starting to date Kamala. Although we don't see them being controlled until the very ending, when they re-investigate the villains and find their lair in the sewers.

Latest blog update (November 5th, 2022).
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34909: May 23rd 2024 at 8:49:45 AM

Bomb Squad Comics released their third issue of Spider-Man '94 in April, it's more or less a Fully Absorbed Finale for Spider-Man Unlimited

Edited by Zarius on May 23rd 2024 at 8:49:57 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34910: May 23rd 2024 at 9:12:15 AM

Okay Spider-Bros, I've decided to switch tactics, and see if that kid would enjoy the 90s Spider-Man show.

I’d be interested to see how that turned out.

IIRC, one of her main complaints about Spectacular was how the female characters were treated, and if that’s the case I dunno how well she’s going to like the 90’s.

I love the Spidey franchise, but it’s historically not been the best franchise where women are concerned. Spectacular probably has some of the best writing for the female cast of anything before Spider-Gwen was introduced, and if she didn’t like that I dunno about 90’s Spidey’s chances.

IIRC, the primary female characters are Mary Jane, who basically never stops being written like a prize for Peter, and Felicia Hardy who is basically awful until they drastically rewrite her character a season or so into the series. The most proactive woman in the cast is Black Cat, but that’s Felicia and, again, it doesn’t happen until well into the series.

Also if she didn’t like nerdy Peter, that show is right out the gate with Peter being a scientist.

Tbh, she might really like the Ultimate Spider-Man show, since that both minimizes the scientist stuff and has proactive girls in the cast (White Tiger) right out the gate.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 23rd 2024 at 9:12:34 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34911: May 23rd 2024 at 9:26:50 AM

[up][up]That's awesome. I have a major soft spot for Spider-Man Unlimited, it's one of my favorite adaptations just for how weird and inventive it is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34912: May 23rd 2024 at 11:25:47 AM

[up][up] Well that, and she finds Spectacular Spider-Man Peter to be cringe.

It's the ultimate heresy in the Spider-Man fandom I know, but I have this gut feeling maybe Christopher Barnes Spidey is more to her vibe.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34913: May 23rd 2024 at 11:31:07 AM

That’s another thing, perhaps. It doesn’t sound like she empathizes much with Peter as a character (and Peter doesn’t really change much between most shows), so a show like Ultimate where he shares prominence with a bunch of other characters might be more amenable to her.

IIRC 90’s Peter is still kind that same kind of irascible nerd who’s a self righteous dick sometimes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 23rd 2024 at 11:33:30 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34914: May 23rd 2024 at 11:37:12 AM

From what she told me way back, she does empathize with him needing to pay the bills and support his elderly aunt, but that plot point doesn't get focused compared to the other things like Peter trying to get in with Liz in a romance my guest finds quite painful to watch.

There was also a discussion we had about if Peter should have told Gwen and Harry that he's Spider-Man, she argued in favor of it, since Miles told Ganke in the video game and the movie. She just finds it weird Peter has no one to confide to about his super hero stuff while Miles has a whole support spider group in the animated movies.

Kids these days, don't appreciate the secret identity.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34915: May 23rd 2024 at 11:39:35 AM

[up] The lead-in to One More Day shows why heroes keeping their identity secret is a really good idea.

(See also Batman where anyone who learned his secret died a lot.)

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#34916: May 23rd 2024 at 11:41:09 AM

It is a good idea, but a hero does need at least a Secret-Keeper, to at least have people to talk to or help them in their mundane lives.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34917: May 23rd 2024 at 11:41:56 AM

I mean confide in with loved ones. Like, she's confused on why Aunt May doesn't know her nephew is Spider-Man because the guest was introduced to Spider-verse Aunt May who is like Alfred and supported her Peter's career before he died.

Plus Peter in the PS games lets Mary Jane know.

So her reacting to the classic Peter who has no one who knows that he's Spider-Man is something of a culture shock.

Damn, I'm feeling out of touch with the new Spider-Man fans. [lol]sad

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34918: May 23rd 2024 at 11:42:20 AM

Yeah, Peter didn't really have that until he met Hobie Brown.

[up] There's a What If where Gwen lived and she and Peter were gonna marry, but Norman leaked his identity to the press and Aunt May collapsed from the shock, just like he always feared would happen.

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 23rd 2024 at 2:49:19 PM

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#34919: May 23rd 2024 at 11:51:40 AM

The MCU did a lot to demolish the secret identity in thed mainstream.

But then again this is the era where you are supposed to share your name and face with everyone across the world with social media. The current generation seems to have drifted apart from 'Your issues are yours only' as a concept, where we are expected to share everything with everyone and if we have something to hide it obviously is something reprehensible or we'd be talking about it.

And to be fair "bottle everything up and don't share it with anyone'' is an unhealthy thing to do.

Aunt May apparently having to drop near dead if ever confronted with Peter's issues was always an annoying Diabolus Ex Machina of sorts to justify having the character stuck in that rut, to be honest.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on May 23rd 2024 at 11:54:35 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34920: May 23rd 2024 at 11:53:32 AM

Funny thing is the MCU then built it back up, at least in Peter's case—the third movie was about him trying to reinstate it after everyone knowing it at the end of the second movie wrecked his life, and getting what he wanted at a price.

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 23rd 2024 at 2:54:49 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34921: May 23rd 2024 at 11:55:03 AM

Part of her arguments about why Spectacular Pete should confide in with Gwen and Harry is that he can actually share the burden of being Spider-Man with his friends. Ganke is like really good support for Miles, and so is Hailey who my guest actually likes with Miles.

I told her that being an isolated NERD who has to hide who he really is is part of Spider-Man's appeal and then she countered by calling me an old man, saying that's so lame, and then kicking me in the shin.

Lousy kids questioning the wisdom of her elders and traditions!

EDIT: OH SHIT, I just realized she is GOING TO HATE THAT PLOT POINT IN THE SPECTACULAR LIZARD EPISODE.

OH MY GOD. [lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 24th 2024 at 2:55:46 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#34922: May 23rd 2024 at 11:56:03 AM

[up][up]As a course correction it seems to have gone too far in the other direction, but one cannot really judge until we see how the next movie handles it.

[up]She has kind of a good point in that opening up to others and relying on them going past that "I have to carry the whole world on my shoulders" martyr complex is actual character development and the logically sane thing to do.

Batman of all people actually probably has the sanest approach to it of all superheroes. He keeps his identity a secret from the public but he also keeps a sizable family around himself who know and they act as a mutual support group. That he often mishandles that family is a different issue but the basis is sane.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on May 23rd 2024 at 11:59:41 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34923: May 23rd 2024 at 11:58:25 AM

[up][up] I think part of it's Once Original, Now Common, too—superheroes having realistic (as real as they can be anyway) problems like deep interpersonal relationships, the hero identity making friends angry with you for blowing them off, money, etc. were new for heroes as a whole back then, and especially a teenager like Peter who started with no income.

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 23rd 2024 at 3:03:54 PM

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#34924: May 23rd 2024 at 12:01:30 PM

[up]And today a teenager is not supposed to earn income no matter what, at least not in a 'I must support my whole household' way, and at least not in the 'First World'. So for a modern child Peter as the breadwinner for his household before he's even of an age to drink must feel weird.

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jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
#34925: May 23rd 2024 at 12:28:56 PM

For the 40th anniversary of the black suit, Spidey is getting an anthology about when he wore suit called Spider-Man: Black Suit & Blood as part of the Black, White & Blood anthologies imprint


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