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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34826: May 21st 2024 at 8:33:54 AM

... Why does Batman do that?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34827: May 21st 2024 at 8:38:36 AM

[up] Batman of Zur En Arh is a whole can of worms that I could get into.

EDIT: Wait, do you not actually know?

BUT SOMEONE CLARIFY WHAT IS GOING ON IN 50 PLEASE! OR I MIGHT ACTUALLY BUY THE COMIC. sad

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 21st 2024 at 11:39:00 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34828: May 21st 2024 at 8:42:13 AM

[up]

Deep breaths, Red Hunter.

So! From what I heard in Discord: Norman tricks Peter into saying a word that brings back the Goblin. Then Norman says a word that turns Peter into Spider-Goblin.

Not sure how any of this makes sense, but Wells' ASM run was a big fat mistake burger, so screw it!

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34829: May 21st 2024 at 8:44:23 AM

....Yeah that's dumb. But let's see if they can be so dumb it gets entertaining.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#34830: May 21st 2024 at 8:46:20 AM

So, Norman is evil again?

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34831: May 21st 2024 at 8:47:12 AM

Yeah, Norman got his sins back in the last time Spider-Man went all Gobby.

Wierdly, Queen Goblin is still Queen Goblin despite having lost the sins.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34832: May 21st 2024 at 8:47:30 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah, it seems #50 is just a big slug fest for Pete and Gobby. Apparently Ed McGuinness is in top form on art.

And there are back-ups, but they barely matter to Spider-Man. (One has to do with Doctor Strange for some reason?)

[up] Apparently the sins were never on the spear but they're hypnotically triggered?

God, this is worse than running on fumes…

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 21st 2024 at 11:49:18 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34833: May 21st 2024 at 8:52:36 AM

Wait what? Where are you getting this info?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34834: May 21st 2024 at 9:10:11 AM

[up] The Spider-Fam Discord. Established by guys that want to bring back the marriage.

Want me to give you an invite?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34835: May 21st 2024 at 9:10:42 AM

Eehhhh, maybe next time. I'm kinda tired RN.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34836: May 21st 2024 at 9:10:56 AM

I'm curious what that word is.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34837: May 21st 2024 at 9:11:31 AM

[up][up]Mm'kay. Just say the word, because I think invites are only active for a finite amount of time.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 21st 2024 at 12:11:39 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34838: May 21st 2024 at 9:11:57 AM

Wait, do you not actually know?

I do not. I get most of my DC information through osmosis and random floppies I get in mystery bundles.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34839: May 21st 2024 at 9:15:39 AM

Okay so uhhhhh back in the Silver Age there was this alien version of Batman called the Batman of Zur En Arrh. He's like Superman basically, with his own discount Lois Lane and Lex Luthor.

Now Grant Morrison is a fan of the Silver Age and brought back parts of it in their run, mostly through saying that Batman did a lot of drugs in his early years as part of experiments and the Silver Age was what he saw.

But the Batman of Zur En Arrh was repurposed as a back up personality for Bruce in case he was ever mentally compromised in any way, which happened during the Batman R.I.P. storyline. It was a one and done story idea.

But since nothing is sacred anymore, recently the Chip Zdarsky run brought it back as some kind of Shonen super powered evil side.

The phrase Zur En Arrh is basically a garbled version of his dad's last words before getting shot: "They'd probably throw someone like Zorro in Arkham."

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 22nd 2024 at 12:17:01 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34840: May 21st 2024 at 9:27:22 AM

[up] That last part is hilariously edgy.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34841: May 21st 2024 at 9:45:40 AM

For whatever reason, when Zur en Arrh gets adapted, like in the Death in the family animated film, that origin story gets kept.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34842: May 21st 2024 at 9:48:41 AM

I don't get people that claim to like the Silver Age and then homage it like this.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34843: May 21st 2024 at 9:52:14 AM

It's like doing a Silver Age Spidey homage where 'with great power there must also come great responsibility' was a trigger phrase for a Manchurian Agent.

Please tell me that's not the trigger phrase Norman uses.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34844: May 21st 2024 at 9:59:06 AM

[up][up] Look, even chaos magicians have their off decisions.

But Grant Morrison Zur en Arrh was crazy awesome, fought criminals with a baseball bat, and had Bat Mite as his sidekick.

Zdarsky Zur just doesn't have that same charm.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#34845: May 21st 2024 at 2:45:23 PM

You know this storyline could be peak as I saw someone say online.

Imagine. Peter goes along with Norman and pretends to be evil having already predicted this.....only to turn it back around and kick his ass

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34846: May 21st 2024 at 2:46:25 PM

Ha, like Wells would let Peter have an actual solid win because he’s smart.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34847: May 21st 2024 at 2:49:06 PM

@immortaleditor I feel like the dual writer approach of Venom was very flawed.

Looking back it’s probably more so cause Ewing couldn’t or didn’t want to invest full time into Venomso another writer was brought in so he can have time to work on other stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#34848: May 21st 2024 at 3:24:51 PM

[up][up]Oh it would be great. To be bad the run were in will never ensure that happens.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#34849: May 21st 2024 at 3:33:53 PM

it seems like its a split personality situation because after peter finds the suit norman tells peter that "norman isnt here"

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#34850: May 21st 2024 at 4:48:19 PM

By now it feels like 90% of the Spider-Man cast has been a Spider, a Goblin, or a Symbiote at some point. Sometimes all three of those.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.

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