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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34801: May 18th 2024 at 4:04:49 PM

I wonder who Miguel’s George Stacy is.

I don’t think comic Miguel has a cop friend because all of the future cops are corporate cops and hate him

For that matter it’s pretty ironic that Miguel is espousing an idea that all spiders have the same fixed points of canon when creating a Spider-Man that zigged where Peter zagged is what got Peter David the gig over everyone else

Edited by Bocaj on May 18th 2024 at 4:06:15 AM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34802: May 18th 2024 at 4:10:27 PM

[up]That's a large part of the point in the movie and explicitly pointed out by Miles with his "are you even a Spider-Man?" comment. It's not an accident that the Spider who proposes the canon event idea to justify his actions is one of the most radically divergent ones who offers evidence against it by virtue of existing; Miguel has an origin, powers, and setup almost entirely unlike most Spiders in the multiverse, to the point that it feels questionable if he's even a totem. He's living proof that there is no script like he thinks there is.

Edited by immortaleditor on May 18th 2024 at 4:11:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34803: May 18th 2024 at 4:13:28 PM

It's the funny thing that the narrative importance of George Stacy stems from Miles and Gwen not having much in the way of supporting cast in the films.

Because the movies are focused majorly on Miles dealing with spider-stuff his non-family friendship are de-emphazied leaving only his immediate family.

So when they wanted to do a "great ally dies" story for Miles and Gwen they didn't exactly much to work with so they laserfocused on the sheer concidence that both of them have fathers who are cops.

Edited by slimcoder on May 18th 2024 at 4:14:20 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34804: May 18th 2024 at 5:37:30 PM

[up]It probably doesn't help that Miles' version of Peter and Aaron both died in the first movie, meaning they were already down two potential allies of his to kill for that purpose. And they don't seem to be willing or desiring to adapt Rio's death in the OG Ultimate universe. So Jefferson is all they got.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34805: May 18th 2024 at 9:27:53 PM

There's also the whole question in the film of if canon events are actually real in the first place. Given the whole "Miguel's organization is actually making them happen, which Miles thinks is insane" thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34806: May 18th 2024 at 9:30:46 PM

The funny thing is the movie is clearly going to reveal that canon events are bullshit.

But because the third movie ain't happening for a long while, audiences will unironically take in canon events to be true coming off the second movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TigerClaw Since: Oct, 2023
#34807: May 18th 2024 at 9:32:57 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'm not so sure about that. You open the door for other supporting characters what are the alternatives? You want to do story focused on the possibility that Miles' roommate who creates golden balls could be in danger?

It seemed like George Stacy's importance came from the writers wanting to adapt some parts of the original Spider-Gwen story, and that lead to Jeff Morales being linked with it. As someone has stated, Miles' historically has lost someone (his mother before it was reversed) but they went with the other parent instead.

Edited by TigerClaw on May 18th 2024 at 9:33:14 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34808: May 18th 2024 at 10:31:27 PM

On the cop thing, it's not them being mentors, but them being cops. That's why Gwen's dad is suddenly safe from his canon event because he quit the force.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34809: May 19th 2024 at 9:02:24 AM

Okay Spider-Bros, I've decided to switch tactics, and see if that kid would enjoy the 90s Spider-Man show.

Hmmmmm.... either the Lizard, Doc Ock, or Scorpion episode.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34811: May 19th 2024 at 10:17:13 AM

Speaking of Doc Ock

...I just remembered Slotto has a book out this week!

Let's all take a trip to SUPERIOR SPIDER-ISLAND

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#34812: May 19th 2024 at 4:46:38 PM

Lizard was the first episode and nicely selfcontained, and iirc it had some of the best animation in the whole seies.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34813: May 20th 2024 at 5:44:16 AM

And if that doesn't work try the 60's series.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#34815: May 21st 2024 at 12:22:22 AM

In the latest Carnage issue, Carnage eats Flash's Anti-Venom Symbiote.

Okay, he's spent all of last year on an anime training arc that included vaccinating himself from Anti-Venom. And he did cannibalize a Grendal before, so yeah he shouldn't have a problem with Flash's. But Flash is undead and only kept animated thanks to the symbiote. Without it he's just a pile of bones. And yet even after Carnage takes it he's seen still as flesh and blood.

#IceBearForPresident
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34816: May 21st 2024 at 12:30:12 AM

Gronbekk did completely ignore Cletus still having the Extrembiote so its possible she's also ignoring that part of Flash as well.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#34817: May 21st 2024 at 12:32:23 AM

That's weird since I'm pretty sure Carnage called Flash out on being reconstituted from symbiote matter in an earlier issue from this run.

#IceBearForPresident
GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#34818: May 21st 2024 at 12:37:04 AM

Yeah looks like this run is glossing over alot. Also when is someone making a new series starring Flash?

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#34819: May 21st 2024 at 12:40:26 AM

It's also glossing over the fact that Liz shelved the Misery symbiote after her mini, but here she is just casually bonded to it at the start of the issue.

It's rather curious with parts of continuity is adhered to and not.

#IceBearForPresident
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34820: May 21st 2024 at 12:42:09 AM

Ram V going exclusive for DC seriously derailed the Carnage storyline he was building up.

The result is other writers having to continue what he's written, and Gronbekk is clearly more interested in just wrapping this up fast.

Amusingly this is not the first time she took over a book after the sudden departure of the writer. She wrote the rest of Donny Cates Thor after the man had his accident and had to leave the book, leaving her to dive into the story threads he was setting up.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34821: May 21st 2024 at 2:21:42 AM

It's also glossing over the fact that Liz shelved the Misery symbiote after her mini, but here she is just casually bonded to it at the start of the issue.

Where was this stated? I remember she shelved the experimentation on Symbiotes (and the Symbiotechs specifically) at the end of her mini but I don't remember anything about Misery itself. She also still had the Symbiote in the Red Goblin mini.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34822: May 21st 2024 at 8:13:43 AM

ASM#50

Peter and Norman use code words to turn full Goblin

Edited by Zarius on May 21st 2024 at 8:14:02 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34823: May 21st 2024 at 8:19:32 AM

GIVE ME MORE CONTEXT MAN!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34824: May 21st 2024 at 8:24:17 AM

The current Venom run seems to be going into the same "let's just wrap this up" mode that Fall of X is. It definitely feels like Ewing and Groenbekk are both just hoping to get it over with and do everything they intended to so they can focus fully on other projects.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34825: May 21st 2024 at 8:29:21 AM

[up][up] Been discussing it on Discord.

You know how Batman goes wacko when someone says "Zur-En-Arrh"? Basically that.


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