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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34751: May 17th 2024 at 1:39:47 PM

It could also just be in character Peter is at the moment hurt over the way things ended between him and MJ this last time and so he is thinking about what would have been easier.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34753: May 17th 2024 at 2:05:45 PM

Why? Like, it can't be for synergy, given Miles is currently dating someone else and it's doubtful the writer of his comic will end that relationship just for Gwen/Miles, especially when basically nobody likes the idea comic Gwen and Miles mimicking Spider-Verse Gwen and Miles.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34754: May 17th 2024 at 2:19:45 PM

She’s not getting her college tuition back just because she’s too young for college now

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34755: May 17th 2024 at 2:36:08 PM

It just says she's a teenager but wasn't she still around nineteen?

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34756: May 17th 2024 at 2:36:25 PM

Some have suggested that given Sins Past's means of shedding light on Gwen that the general favortism is that back in the Silver Age she was the good girl.

Would never have pre-marital sex at all, whereas MJ seems like the person who would. But you know, it's cool when a guy does so cause?...

And also MJ wanted to be pretty/sexy for her own sake and not just for a man.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#34757: May 17th 2024 at 2:56:00 PM

Random question: do you think Peter Parker would be justified if he simply gave up being Spider-Man? Been thinking about this since I read Mike Carey's Hellblazer run briefly, which has a very shocking Sudden Downer Ending in which John Constantine straight-up quits after completely failing to prevent a demonic plot to kill everyone who has ever shown him one iota of compassion, culminating in the souls of his kindly sister and mentally ill brother-in-law being dragged off to be tortured for all eternity. Constantine himself survives but he decides, even though he's saved the world multiple times and even the universe more than once, that this officially proves he does more harm than good, so he's out.

And I related this to Spider-Man because he's basically the only comic character the universe craps on even more than Constantine; remember for instance the first issue of the "No One Dies" arc where Peter has a vision in which everyone whose life he's failed to save lines up to insult him? That's very similar to several scenes in Hellblazer, and Peter's Dead Friends Club is actually bigger than Constantine's. Add that to the fact that because this is Marvel, the people Peter saves tend to be complete shitheels that would probably applaud if he was found dead in a dumpster, and yeah, I think Peter has long since crossed the line from "responsibility" to an outright martyr complex that he would do best rid himself of.

Thoughts?

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 17th 2024 at 2:58:09 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34758: May 17th 2024 at 2:59:18 PM

I feel like Peter quits being Spider-Man every dozen issues or so.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34759: May 17th 2024 at 3:00:31 PM

He should get a story where he vows to never quit again

Call it “Spider-Man No More No More”

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#34760: May 17th 2024 at 3:00:54 PM

Constantine's quitting doesn't take either, FYI, but I thought the arguments he used in the story were good, and they all apply to Peter too.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 17th 2024 at 3:01:17 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34761: May 17th 2024 at 3:19:55 PM

Huh so they may have de-aged Spider-Gwen into a teenager

Late teens is still a teenager, so i am not sure it's a retcon.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34762: May 17th 2024 at 3:21:33 PM

I think when you're in college you should qualify as a young adult.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Freshwater Since: Apr, 2023
#34763: May 17th 2024 at 3:23:47 PM

In universe, I feel like Spiderman is basically stuck in the superhero life right now.

The cynical interpretation revolves around his powers and what happened with uncle Ben. He choose not to use his powers at a critical moments and, because of circumstances he absolutely could not have predicted, he lost uncle Ben. Now, as long as he has his powers, his guilt complex will never let him stop.

The optimistic interpretation is that Peter is naturally the type of person that would try to help people even if he didn't have powers. He's lost his powers a few times in the comics but even when hated and powerless he's still tried to help because he can't stand seeing innocent people suffer.

In universe, the only way I could see Peter retiring given those albatrosses are 1) absolutely everything goes wrong to the point where there is nothing left to fix (i.e. post apocalyptic) 2) Peter finds an excuse/reason to slow down the super heroics (gets a successor, needs to be there for his family, age catches up to him) 3) he permanently loses his powers and finds a way to help that doesn't involve super heroics.

Edited by Freshwater on May 17th 2024 at 3:24:39 AM

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34764: May 17th 2024 at 3:27:36 PM

[up][up]Even if your a young adult, if your age ends with the suffix teen your a teenager [lol]

Edited by lycropath on May 17th 2024 at 3:28:16 AM

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#34765: May 17th 2024 at 3:41:42 PM

Peter pseudo-retires at the end of the second Insomniac game.

We don't know how much that will stick by the third game, but honestly I think that's the best of both worlds. Peter still fulfills his responsibility of using his power for good, but he also begins to fulfill his responsibility to both himself and his loved ones.

The factor here is that Peter will of course jump when needed but he knows Miles can fill whatever void he leaves. And as far as the comics are concerned, that's especially true as he has Miles, Cindy, now Gwen and more to pass the mantle to. Basically do what his Ultimate counterpart did but without faking his death to his friends and family.

So yeah I think it's perfectly reasonable for Peter to shift towards a more mentoral role.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34766: May 17th 2024 at 5:20:14 PM

Ultimate Peter faked his death!?

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#34767: May 17th 2024 at 5:30:01 PM

Apparently, resurrection is part of the package of the formula that gave Peter his powers.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34768: May 17th 2024 at 5:51:17 PM

[up]This. Osborn also came back a few times due to the Ox formula, and Peter did get it as well.

Although I don't think he deliberately faked his death, but I'm not totally sure either.

Also, here's a video of Peter doing good in the freezing cold.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34769: May 17th 2024 at 7:55:04 PM

Preview for Ghost-Spider 1

Of which Gwen is trying to open a bank account because she has no special security, no valid photo identification, no nothing. All she has is literally her name.

Which brings the question why are you doing this Gwen? Like okay we all know why in real life, but what is the in-universe reason for Gwen to want to leave her entire planet behind to go to a world that has none of the friends or family she grew up with?

Plus wait she was enrolled in a college last run, why is lack of identification an issue now?

Edited by slimcoder on May 17th 2024 at 7:56:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34770: May 17th 2024 at 8:03:32 PM

I think they explained that by saying ESU had an extra-dimensional exchange program or something.

primenumber101 Since: Mar, 2017
#34771: May 17th 2024 at 8:10:13 PM

[up][up][up]And then, Ultimate Peter ran away with MJ to find out the mystery behind his resurrection.

I always wondered if Bendis had a plan to turn Peter into the Ultimate version of Scarlet Spider, but unfortunately, the Ultimate Universe was destroyed as whole after that.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34772: May 17th 2024 at 9:36:00 PM

[up]×3

Another book suggested that the move is involuntary. Still sucks that it's happening at all, especially after Flores' recent mini series and one shot set in Earth-65.

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#34773: May 17th 2024 at 10:31:57 PM

She could look up her uncle and cousins, though they might still be stuck in the 90s.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34774: May 17th 2024 at 10:41:48 PM

Whatever happened to Jill Stacy?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34775: May 17th 2024 at 11:02:15 PM

Who?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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