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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#34576: May 7th 2024 at 10:05:44 AM

The slots based power is such an anime thing and the whole 'What happens if I get 3 skulls?' both put an obvious "This is only temporary" disclaimer on her powers that it was hard to really get invested.

I mean, everything is temporary in comics but few things are this obvious about it.

#IceBearForPresident
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34577: May 7th 2024 at 10:11:29 AM

This feels like some weird publicity stunt to get more rage bait sales.

Or they were legit testing the waters for an MJ and Paul spin-off for some reason because it's entirely possible the people in charge unironically like Paul and want him to be a supporting character to last.

Like, it's been a bit over 2 years at this point, they are THAT committed to making him MJ's boyfriend even though they have no reason to be with each other now that the kids are gone.

Marvel couldn't even finish MJ's own spin off comic, did they really think Jackpot was going to be a thing?

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 8th 2024 at 1:11:41 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34578: May 7th 2024 at 10:13:54 AM

[up] They're too spineless to even call him MJ's 'boyfriend' or show them doing romantic things, he's just her live-in 'partner' who occasionally does chummy things with her that can be interpreted as platonic. Even their one scene in bed together wasn't romantic.

Edited by Zarius on May 7th 2024 at 10:14:20 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34579: May 7th 2024 at 10:16:29 AM
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"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#34580: May 7th 2024 at 10:17:00 AM

Because the sunk cost or whatever. Or they refuse to have Peter and MJ together, but have no interest in Paul whatsoever, so they are stuck in this limbo.

Edited by Blueace on May 7th 2024 at 1:18:05 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#34581: May 7th 2024 at 12:52:16 PM

Paul literally just exists for the sole purpose of being an obstacle for Peter and MJ. I wouldn't be surprised if in the final issue of Wells' run...it's revealed that Paul was a magic creation born of MJ having a nervous breakdown in that other dimension.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#34582: May 7th 2024 at 12:53:51 PM

The real Paul was the friends we made along the way.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34583: May 7th 2024 at 11:30:22 PM

Over on the ICv2 sales charts, Ultimate Spider-Man#4 crushed it and took the number one spot, ASM still has a couple of healthy spots in the top ten...but Jackpot/Black Cat and Miles Morales books appear to have slid off the charts entirely.

Lowe's response in the letters pages this week make a lot of sense in context. No doubt the full sales data for Marvel isn't very complimentary for the Jackpot title either...and, worse, it's dragging down Felicia as a more bankable draw.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34584: May 7th 2024 at 11:35:01 PM

Hey Marvel, remember you have MJ as a Spider Woman in Spinneret for RYV.

Use her.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34585: May 8th 2024 at 12:46:55 AM

[up][up] Thats sad about Cat considering all the work Mc Kay put into giving her some good books.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#34586: May 8th 2024 at 12:51:46 AM

I suspect a Black Cat book without MJ/Paul would still sell reasonably well.

On a related note, I'm starting to wonder about Paul's status quo at the end of Wells' run. I can't see the next writer wanting to use him - it's not like he's been a presence in non-ASM Spider-Man stories.

Does he leave MJ and leave town? Die heroically? Die ridiculously? Get sent into an indefinite coma? Or will he still be the same old Paul with MJ, right up until the first issue of the next relaunch mentions that he was pecked to death by pigeons...?

(Opening the next series with his funeral would be a bold move)

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34587: May 8th 2024 at 12:56:14 AM

It depends, is he a Wells idea or a editorial mandated idea?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Kurus576 Since: Aug, 2015
#34588: May 8th 2024 at 3:58:54 AM

[up] Wells has said it was his idea, but it wouldn’t be the first time a writer has carried water for editorial. Who knows the real truth.

Edited by Kurus576 on May 8th 2024 at 10:16:22 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34589: May 8th 2024 at 4:21:21 AM

Shadow of the Green Goblin#2 has some wholesome moments with Flint today, it hints a lot at him contemplating going straight as early as before his capture by the Torch in Strange Tales#155, and it appears this is now retroactively his first meaningful heart-to-heart with Spidey in the main canon.

Edited by Zarius on May 8th 2024 at 4:22:04 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34590: May 8th 2024 at 9:01:03 AM

I really wish Flint had stayed a good guy.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34591: May 8th 2024 at 9:57:03 AM

Also Emily Osborn actually succeeded in taking Harry from Norman with the aid of Protogoblin, Harry is resting comfortably at her hideout.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34592: May 8th 2024 at 11:37:55 AM

I feel bad for Miles; what's he been up to lately?

The Protomen enhanced my life.
GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#34593: May 8th 2024 at 12:07:06 PM

Wasn’t Flint actually brainwashed back into being a villain? Weird how no one’s tried to help him. He was an Avenger. I mean back when he was that didn’t mean squat and they were basically B-List, but now it should mean a lot.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34594: May 8th 2024 at 12:10:28 PM

The Avengers being b-list is only a thing out of universe. In-universe, they really should have tried to help him if it’s known he was brainwashed, but they’re not always great at knowing that.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34595: May 8th 2024 at 12:19:21 PM

They have a bad record with this corner of the Marvel Universe, isn't that right Superior Spider-Man?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34596: May 8th 2024 at 12:22:57 PM

Yet another example of John Byrne fucking everything up like a dumbass for the sake of his shit takes on canon.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34597: May 8th 2024 at 12:26:26 PM

Byrne did it because there was a line of dialogue in Marko's first appearance that said he was on the FBI most wanted list, and he assumed that meant he was irredeemable.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34598: May 8th 2024 at 12:28:18 PM

Byrne's also the same guy who made Norman and Flint related because they have the same haircut.

And now I'm reminded they do have the same wave hairstyle.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34599: May 8th 2024 at 12:33:48 PM

It sucks that Spider-Man couldn't save the civilian that was turned into a vampire and tied himself so he wouldn't hurt anyone.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34600: May 8th 2024 at 12:52:09 PM

John Byrne takes a lot of little details and leans hard on them as unimpeachable support for whatever bullshit he wants to write

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

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