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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34076: Apr 5th 2024 at 9:28:21 PM

If we have to deal with all these retcons, might as well have some fun with it

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34078: Apr 5th 2024 at 9:54:11 PM

[up][up]Yeah, Mysterio hypnotizing Norman into thinking Gwen Stacy fucked him is boring and is just there to undo Spider-Man being cucked. Which the next run rendered moot.

Doubly so now that Paul is hanging out with Black Cat and MJ.

But Mysterio and Norman fucking because Norman thought he was Gwen? That's hilarious, and Mysterio is nothing if not a method actor.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 6th 2024 at 12:54:23 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#34079: Apr 5th 2024 at 9:59:25 PM

It was his greatest role and his greatest illusion

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#34080: Apr 5th 2024 at 10:38:15 PM

And Harry's ultimate revenge.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34081: Apr 5th 2024 at 10:46:25 PM

A.I. Harry is into some weird shit. Do you think he watched Mysterio and Norman fuck?

Oh god, now I’m picturing it. Someone stop me.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 6th 2024 at 1:47:02 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34082: Apr 5th 2024 at 10:52:11 PM

I can imagine Harry coming up with the gas and hopnotism etc and Mysterio listening like "oh fuck this, I'll buy a wig"

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34083: Apr 6th 2024 at 6:44:57 AM

Years later, Norman figures it out and goes to Gwen's grave to say "I wondered why you had a penis".

Alternatively, if we really wanted to take this gag to it's logical extreme, one could propose that Mysterio had a very... special connection to the Stacy Twins...

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34084: Apr 6th 2024 at 6:48:48 AM

Norman is just trans positive.

A rare good quality from the guy.

Of course, he was baffled when “Gwen” got “pregnant”

In a way, it was a relief to him to learn the whole scheme because he finally could make sense of that

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34085: Apr 6th 2024 at 7:16:19 AM

I might have missed it in the issue, did they reference Sins Past in that miniseries? Didn't that happen when they were all in college during the time when Gwen went to Europe?

With the retcons, Harry doesn't make the A.I until he's close to dying either way.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34086: Apr 6th 2024 at 7:34:52 AM

It was established in the finale of Spencer's run.

We even see Mysterio hypnotizing Norman.

As well as MJ into believing the story about Gwen Stacy fucking Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34087: Apr 6th 2024 at 7:37:02 AM

Yeah, but I bring it up because people were referring to that retcon in the context of Demattis's Proto Goblin mini, which takes place like right after Peter became Spidey.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#34088: Apr 6th 2024 at 7:45:07 AM

[up] There's no reference to Sins Past in the mini, there's a few panels where Gwen and Norman are a little cosy with one another though

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34089: Apr 6th 2024 at 7:46:56 AM

Yeah, and this whole train of dialogue of Mysterio and Norman started because I was wondering if JM knew about the retcon to Sins Past or he didn't, and that's why he put in that scene of Norman and Gwen.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#34090: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:03:48 AM

Spencer wasn't allowed to retcon OMD but getting rid of Sin's Past justifies its existence.

That and Boomerang as his roommate.

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#34091: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:11:59 AM

I like that Sins Past is retconned and I like the idea of Mysterio fucking Norman for verisimilitude. Don't love the latter half of Spencer's run as a whole and the retcon of the retcon just makes things a bigger fucking mess. I guess it sort of cancels out so we don't have to really talk about any of it anymore, except Mysterio fucking Norman.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 6th 2024 at 8:12:24 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34092: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:24:00 AM

My unironic guess of what happened was that Mysterio just hypnotized Norman into beating his Goblin thinking it was Gwen, but Mysterio fucking Norman as a method actor is pretty funny, NGL.

That said, I suspect Sins Past was undone was to better get people to accept sins removed Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34093: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:30:32 AM

I love a lot of comic book ridiculousness but I will not open my heart to a shotgun that shoots peoples sins out

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#34094: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:33:46 AM

My issues with the retcon liw entirely on Harry's side. It's weird to make an evil AI that makes your dad want to fuck your best friend, right?

If they pinned this on, like, Mendell Stromm or something everything else would be fine.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#34095: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:40:08 AM

I dunno, it fits Harry's revenge that he was creating some fake kids that Norman would treat better than him.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34096: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:41:33 AM

Uuhhhhh lemme double check what A.I Harry's logic for that plan was RQ.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#34097: Apr 6th 2024 at 8:47:04 AM

It will end up screwing with Spider-Man and his dad both.

Which is fine.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34098: Apr 6th 2024 at 9:27:01 AM

AI Harry's schemes seem to trend to baffling and strange and meant more to just generally screw with people's heads for fun, so it fits. This is the same computer that made Peter think his parents were alive just so it could lol at him when they turned out to be robots, amongst other things.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34099: Apr 6th 2024 at 9:42:20 AM

So, we're talking a lot about Harry (both the original and AI version), but now I'm wondering what's going on with Liz?

Like, she's still around, and she more than likely hates Spider-Man quite a bit for all the pain he's brought to her life.

I believe when she found out Peter was Spider-Man, she hated him for that exact reason, and I think she is an enemy in the Renew Your Vows timeline as well, isn't she?

So it's got me thinking where she is in all of this?

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34100: Apr 6th 2024 at 9:44:20 AM

In limbo until the writers decide to bring her back.

Like, let's be real, A.I. Harry is only around to patch up things the writers want patched up, like Peter's parents being alive again, or Gwen Stacy fucking Norman Osborn.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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