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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34051: Apr 5th 2024 at 1:00:51 PM

Technically Spinnerette's webs come out of her lower back but it sure looks like her butt. XD

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34052: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:06:04 PM

Web shooters take away the idea that anyone can be Spider-Man if bitten by that same spider. Only a science major could make something like that

That was the point, originally.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34053: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:08:42 PM

I like the idea of the web shooters cuz its a cool reflection of Peter's aptitude as a genius, on the other hand the universe is also saturated with so many spider copy cats with the ability to generate their own webs that it feels odd that he is without it.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34054: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:15:19 PM

I honestly can't decide whether the webshooters or it being part of his body is better. The webshooters are classic, play into the gadgeteer aspect as you all note, and is just generally cool. But the organics are ALSO cool and arguably make a bit more sense with the nature of his power-set.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34055: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:16:42 PM

Miles has stealth and can make a sword out of electricity (???)

Jessica can glide and smells sexy

Julia Carpenter’s web was psychically made back before she became a boring Madame Webb

Gwen traded her stock spider powers for symbiote based ones

Miguel had Special Eyes and sharp fingers and teefs

Mayday has a variation on the wall crawling and more sensitive spider sense

Bailey’s spider sense is more psychometry adjacent and has teefs and venom

And Peter is a genius and sometimes can summon the spiders

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 5th 2024 at 3:17:14 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34056: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:21:07 PM

And Maddie had a ton of different costumes and I think spider-legs out of her back?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34057: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:36:19 PM

Yeah. Now that there are so many other Spider People (I think you forgot Cindy, Bocaj, who I believe does create the Organic Webbing through her fingers), I think letting Peter be the guy who builds stuff works really well. It's gives him a niche.

.....So what should Ben do? I believe Cain gets the Stinger Arms as well.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34059: Apr 5th 2024 at 3:50:18 PM

The most interesting thing about Classic Madame Web is that time Juggernaut wanted to kidnap her.

Because then Peter had to fight the god damned Juggernaut, and found out why you need entire teams to fight the Juggernaut.

Well, I say that, but I know little of Madame Web beyond her animated appearances.

I can't really judge how Julia has fared as the New Madame Web because I haven't seen it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34060: Apr 5th 2024 at 6:02:13 PM

There are literally infinite spider people

The list was not comprehensive

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34061: Apr 5th 2024 at 6:05:43 PM

The thing about Peter's genius being unique to him should be emphasized since making other spider's geniuses kinda deletes the whole genius wellpool.

Makes me want a character that is a legitimate dumbass. Like they can be clever but they have absolutely no mind for science or ever a hope in a career in anything science related.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#34062: Apr 5th 2024 at 6:06:29 PM

A real shonen protagonist type

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#34063: Apr 5th 2024 at 6:09:14 PM

The first Spider-Verse film had a good idea of this, making Miles more of an artist.

But thr sequel falters a bit by making his dream want to be a particle physist.

Though thats based on his desire to see his friends again so maybe when he overcomes loneliness and gets out of his shell, he can move and find a true dream for himself.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34064: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:14:40 PM

Miles is usually supposed to be straight A student bright rather then TV Genius like Pete. I believe Ganke was/is even the one who handles maintenance and web-fluid synthesis for him.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#34065: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:16:41 PM

I think Miles is a genius because he goes to a super-school.

Also, you can understand why they didn't want to go with, "Spider-Man but black and dumber."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 5th 2024 at 7:17:26 AM

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34066: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:20:27 PM

It's actually supposed to just be an elite charter school.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34067: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:27:19 PM

One day we'll have a Spider-Man who can't recite quantum mechanics by memory.

I will say, I found Miles being overwhelmed at his new school in the movie and struggling to write an essay in the video game while Ganke and Hailey already wrapped up theirs to be relatable.

Like, you don't have to be an idiot to not be good in school.

Or maybe that's cope on my end. sad

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#34068: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:32:21 PM

Well Miles is distracted by being Spider-Man.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#34069: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:32:41 PM

Peter had the same thing happen. Poor superheroes in school.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34070: Apr 5th 2024 at 7:39:27 PM

[up][up] Well there is that, but I really felt Miles being overwhelmed and overworked at his new school even before he became Spider-Man. I dunno, it felt relatable. Like, he's not an idiot, but he's clearly gotten culture shock there.

Now as for his essay bit in the Spider-Man 2 game, I found it quite interesting because it also indicates a kind of existential crisis to him. He is in part distracted by being Spider-Man and Mr. Negative being out there, but I get the sense he's genuinely not sure what his future is yet and that's holding him back from achieving his essay.

Plus his fear section does indicate that he does strongly fear Ganke and Hailey moving on without him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34071: Apr 5th 2024 at 8:44:03 PM

That's a good analysis but, man, it does really draw attention to how tacked on Miles feels to the plot of the Insomniac games imo. Peter was off in the main plot going through the Black Suit arc and Harry going bad and fighting Kraven at his deadliest, meanwhile Miles was stuck trying to write an essay and doing all the goofy side-quests before being a plot device to get the symbiote off Peter. Even him wanting revenge on Mr. Negative feels almost like an afterthought.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34072: Apr 5th 2024 at 8:52:59 PM

Like this might sound like a hot take, but I get what they were trying to do with Miles' arc. Make him a bit more well adjusted but having some teenage issues like school stuff, insecurity about the future, feeling left behind while friends all around you have a clear future, so he can be a bit of emotional support to Peter.

I like the idea in theory, but in practice, I feel like they could have used an extra hour.

I'm fine with him doing stuff like helping out with school problems, and saving the music museum, stuff like that puts the friendly neighborhood in Spider-Man. I like it when the good guys are actively helping out their community.

I get the complaints about him feeling tacked on, but it works for me.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 5th 2024 at 11:53:43 PM

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Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#34073: Apr 5th 2024 at 8:53:17 PM

Classic Norman.

Julia Carpenter’s web was psychically made back before she became a boring Madame Webb

They finally made it clear that she can still do the energy webs in Spider-Woman (2023).

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#34074: Apr 5th 2024 at 8:54:42 PM

I wonder if JM got the memo that Norman actually slept with Mysterio, not Gwen.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#34075: Apr 5th 2024 at 9:00:47 PM

[up][up][up]True, but I feel like that's done with Miles a lot and gets taken way too far, such that he often ends up shafted off on boring, thread-bare plotlines like the aforementioned essay thing or he ends up coming off as too well-adjusted in a way that makes Peter look even more pathetic for not being able to function when Miles is in near-identical situations as him yet doing perfectly fine. Pretty much the only Miles stories that really defy this imo are the Spider-Verse movies and the original Ultimate Universe run for him, which both had him face plenty of superhero problems as well as personal problems.

[up]I love that the whole fandom seems to be just kinda gradually deciding the retcon of Sin's Past means Norman fucked Mysterio rather than something more sane like Mysterio implanting fake memories.

Bonus points if you imagine Mysterio just looking like his usual self but with a Gwen wig on his fishbowl.

Edited by immortaleditor on Apr 5th 2024 at 9:00:58 AM


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