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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#33976: Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:58:24 AM

re: the Spider-Boy solicit that was brought up here:

Calling it now: wild mass guess Bailey is going to meet an evil, powerless, criminal mastermind version of Spider-Man who fought Captain America and El Santo, thus canonizing Three Big Men as part of the Marvel Multiversewild mass guess

Edited by TrashJack on Apr 2nd 2024 at 1:59:08 PM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33977: Apr 2nd 2024 at 11:00:27 AM

[up]That would be genuinely brilliant and hilarious.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33978: Apr 2nd 2024 at 11:24:37 AM

[up][up] I totally want that to happen.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33979: Apr 2nd 2024 at 2:44:21 PM

As far as non MJ pairings go I did like Chat. tongue

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33980: Apr 2nd 2024 at 3:36:36 PM

Chat is one of those many fantastic characters who for some reason got forgotten and slipped into undeserved limbo instead of sticking around.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33981: Apr 2nd 2024 at 3:54:12 PM

To be fair she was basically from an AU.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33982: Apr 2nd 2024 at 5:51:23 PM

Yeah, she isn't a forgotten Peter love interest like Deb or something, she was only in that one Marvel Adventures book.

The best case scenario for characters like that is the role HERBIE gets, as a sweet nod to something else.

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33983: Apr 2nd 2024 at 6:39:02 PM

Another minor problem with trying to make Peter the everyman via being a failure. With how even those well off might object to single issue comics cause of their price, Peter sure as Hell wouldn't be able to afford keeping up with a comic book.

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#33984: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:24:06 PM

[up][up] She does have a 616 counterpart, but it was a glorified cameo.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33985: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:25:18 PM

I quite enjoyed the Ultimate Peter and Kitty Pryde romance.

Wish it lasted longer, her costume was great.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33986: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:27:34 PM

Ultimate Peter and Kitty had a great dynamic that I really loved; one of those weird instances of a ship that could only work in one specific continuity but by God it works there. I almost wish Kitty had become Peter's endgame love interest there instead of MJ, who could've instead hooked up with Gwen to pay off that Ship Tease between them.

Edited by immortaleditor on Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:28:01 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33987: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:28:28 PM

When Bendis succeeds, he really DOES.

Granted, it all fell apart, and eventually he shipped Kitty with his self-insert, Kenny.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33988: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:30:20 PM

That’s weird, Brian

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33989: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:31:41 PM

It's okay he revealed that Kitty was still in love with Peter even while she was dating Kenny

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33990: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:34:42 PM

That makes it weirder somehow.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33991: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:36:11 PM

I mean, I never realized Kenny was supposed to be the Bendis self-insert till I saw a pic of the man himself when I was like 17.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33992: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:43:40 PM

[up][up] hehe yeah

Now that the Ultimate 1610 has been restored I just assume Kitty is with Jess now, since Jess expressed attraction to her in New Ultimates and I believe 616 Kitty is intended to be bisexual.

Then I just ignore Bendis' weirdness with Kenny and Johnny x Jess (the later could be fine, but I feel like Bendis only did it for immature humour).

Edited by Saiga on Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:45:27 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33993: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:19:31 PM

The main thing I remember about Kenny is that they basically gave him every Flash Thompson storyline and left Flash with nothing to do. I could see that guy becoming Agent Venom too, why not.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33994: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:22:45 PM

All Flash got was something about having a crush on Gwen.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33995: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:26:42 PM

In hindsight, Kenny probably could've just been Ultimate Flash. He fulfilled the exact same role as Peter's bully-turned-friend.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33996: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:31:39 PM

1610 was just an asshole, through and through. There's a moment when someone tries to stick up for Flash and Peter says no, he's not a great guy deep down, he's just a jerk and a loser.

Originally I thought that was the point - 1610 Flash being a response to the sympathetic 616 Flash, trying to be more grounded by showing the bully character isn't misunderstood or secretly has a really strong character.

But then that development was just tossed to Kenny instead, so it feels like a waste of Flash and shilling of Bendis' OC by giving him Flash's popular development.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33997: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:48:58 PM

There's something bleak about the suggestion that the bully just being a piece of shit with no nuance is more "grounded" than him actually being a proper human being beneath the facade. The fact that that kind of rancid take would've fit perfectly well with 1610's general vibe is sad. I'm reminded of that great quote from the final issue of Grant Morrison's Animal Man; "we thought that by making your world darker and more violent, we were making it mature and realistic. God help us if that's what it means."

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33998: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:21:53 PM

What I remember of the Pete and Kitty dating period in Ultimate Spider-Man is that he spent a lot of it pining for MJ. [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33999: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:29:23 PM

Not really, did you read the annual?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#34000: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:56:01 PM

It was cute when Pete wasn't in his head pontificating not being over MJ and being not emotionally invested in the relationship. But let's face it he kinda used her as a rebound girl and then ghosted her after he and MJ made-up rather then actually dumping her.


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