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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33951: Mar 31st 2024 at 8:04:15 PM

I'm assuming, New York being a Democratic state, they have government contracts that don't cheap out.

Also, probably employ dirty dirty mutant labor.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33952: Apr 1st 2024 at 5:41:46 AM

Jordan D White presents a special April Fools edition of X-Men Monday...rechristened Venom Monday

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33954: Apr 1st 2024 at 11:59:17 PM

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New York having legal Mutant slavery would be pretty bad, even by our low low comic book Marvel civilian standards.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33955: Apr 2nd 2024 at 12:27:10 AM

Listen, is it really exploitation if we take the jobs that flatscans won't?

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Apr 2nd 2024 at 12:27:19 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33956: Apr 2nd 2024 at 2:33:51 AM

The trade info for "Shadow of the Green Goblin" appears to confirm Gwen's mom will appear and it explains how she died

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33957: Apr 2nd 2024 at 4:45:28 AM

….Has Gwen’s mom ever been relevant?

Like, I know the ultimate version of her walked out of her family and coldly refused to mourn her daughter dying.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33958: Apr 2nd 2024 at 6:23:31 AM

Gwen's mom has literally never been relevant ever outside the Ultimate Spider-Man thing you mention, and even than she's a background figure at most. Which I guess is probably partly why she's being used, because she's a blank slate.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33959: Apr 2nd 2024 at 6:51:32 AM

I wonder if working from home could help with Peter's awful tendencies. [lol]

You could still introduce tension by having a work quota to reach every three days or so!

Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#33960: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:21:27 AM

“Hey, Doc Ock, would you mind coming round here for the fight…?”

Oh, you mean his other job.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33961: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:39:24 AM

We got trade info for Spider-Boy issues 9 to 12:

Bailey Briggs, the one and only Spider-Boy, is trapped in the Web of Life and Destiny! Tumbling through the Multiverse! And he’s about to meet at least one Spider you’ve seen before — but NEVER on these mighty Marvel pages! Maybe someone out there in the Spider-Verse will find a way to get his life back.

Edited by Zarius on Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:39:59 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33962: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:42:18 AM

[up][up][up] Reminder that Spider-Man has failed college because he didn't attend class.

AFTER getting caught in a plagiarism scandal and got a third chance.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33963: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:55:47 AM

This is basically what happened the first time he went to Grad School too, he just kinda stops attending after a while. The writer's really don't want him to have that doctorate.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33964: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:57:45 AM

God, as a college student struggling with certain classes thanks to COVID's lasting impact, Spider-Man failing due to absences AFTER getting a third chance because of a plagiarism scandal just sickens me.

He's become something of an anti-role model to young readers like me unironically.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#33965: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:03:57 AM

Peter is being hurt by writers and editors obsession with "the everyman". The thing is is that you can only start out as a everyman. Once enough time has passed you gotta grow out of it. Something they don't seem to want to let Peter do.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33966: Apr 2nd 2024 at 8:31:57 AM

The worst part is, those teens Peter was originally meant to be a relatable character to? They all grew up.

And for a time so did Peter. He also became an adult, went to college, got married etc. So he was still relatable to the same people back in his early days.

#IceBearForPresident
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33967: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:07:56 AM

The idea that Peter is an "everyman" anymore is laughable in and of itself. You could've said he was that right up until OMD, but now? What "everyman" can go from photographer to teacher to tech mogul to jobless college dropout? What "everyman" can't hold down a job or social group because he has to constantly dress as an arachnid and beat up criminals? What "everyman" makes deals with demons to keep his decrepit corpse of an aunt on life support?

What's especially hilarious is that part of the justification given for Spider-Editorial thinking MJ isn't good for Peter is that a normal guy dating a supermodel is "unrealistic", yet the instant OMD was over they basically made him a harem anime protag with a new banging hot girlfriend every week. So him dating and marrying a supermodel isn't relatable but him dating NUMEROUS supermodels is perfectly reasonable?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33968: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:20:58 AM

Peter's luck on the romance side has always been like that.

Peter was an everyman in the sense that, compared to other heroes, he had to actually worry about his social life, school and the bills, even as he swings around in red and blues. Of course, lately they make it seem like they think that means "he is a complete screw up", but...

Wake me up at your own risk.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33969: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:32:50 AM

Do you think it would help if they decided to stop doing Yank the Dog's Chain with MJ and just have her be the amicable ex, with Felicia or whoever as Peter’s “main” love interest? Or would that just make it worse?

I recall there was a brief but vocal Peter/Carol Danvers fandom once upon a time, incidentally.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33970: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:42:49 AM

I don't think it will matter who Peter is/isn't with.. it'll still be the same dead end. Like someone said when BND first started..."why should we care who Peter dates? It won't go anywhere anyway." The Breevoort Manifesto has locked Peter in a Goundhog Day-like temporal loop of failure that he can never escape.

Edited by knightstorm on Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:55:11 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33971: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:54:22 AM

[up]Yeah, that sums it up. Why should the readers care about anything that happens in Spider-Man when Editorial has made it abundantly clear that they will just hard reset everything as soon as physically possible to force things back to their preferred status quo?

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33972: Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:56:44 AM

MJ and Peter are the power couple in every AU book Marvel decide to publish. With loads of kids. Wells has said the ideal last Spidey story for him is Peter and MJ married. Marvel know nobody is ever going to measure up to her, and every attempt to distance her from Peter or replace her ends in indifference and disaster because the fans will never shut up or let go of the marriage

The dissolution of the marriage was not dealt with amicably or in a realistic manner, it was stolen from them and reality was warped. 616 in itself is just another alternate universe nowadays, and you can't ever take anything that happens in it at face value because the characters allowed a mystical being to reshape things. Magic can be blamed for every out of character action, and whenever they do overcome it and get together, the writers have to usually use magic AGAIN to justify splitting the pair.

Edited by Zarius on Apr 2nd 2024 at 9:58:02 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33973: Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:12:48 AM

Basically what I was trying to gauge with my question there is do the fans see the lack of MJ specifically as the bigger issue, or is it the constant teases and resets to his life in general and love life in particular? Like, if they said they were officially going to stop doing that but Peter’s new steady love interest was someone else, would that be seen as a step forward or step back?

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33974: Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:29:44 AM

People won't be interested in any other love interest. Any new woman would be in MJ's shadow...and Marvel made it clear that Peter must always be "a young single loser". If Marvel wanted a long term relationship for Peter...they'd just put he and MJ(who is already popular) back together. At this point...they should just avoid romance in the book altogether...and just focus purely on the superheroics...and let Peter actually win a fight with a villain again,maybe? Anything involving Peter's personal life is better just avoided until the current editorial is gone.

Edited by knightstorm on Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:34:48 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33975: Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:35:27 AM

[up][up]Possibly? If they committed to it, eventually there'd be a generation of fans who grew up on the new ship.

I don't think any of Peter's new love interests have lasted a year, though. There's not even enough for fans to get attached to.

Like, X-Men has a lot of characters go through a lot of different relationships, and a lot of them last a decent amount of time. Once OMD happened, Peter doesn't do that at all.

Edited by Joshbones on Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:36:35 AM


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