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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#33901: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:17:48 AM

I suspect some of it's synergy, too. Perhaps, given how the MCU's shifted, May can finally shuffle off this mortal coil now.

(Didn't one of the alternate universe stories put her into care with dementia and/or mobility issues? Probably a bit dark for 616, but...)

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 30th 2024 at 4:18:05 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33902: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:18:29 AM

Yeah, that's life story.

She eventually died in that story.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33903: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:20:02 AM

[up][up]Spider-Man has for awhile being extremely bizarre about synergy where they'll insist on it for some things but not for others. Like, if they were really following synergy, Peter would be like Peter B. from Spider-Verse.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33904: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:35:30 AM

[up]That's Sony though.tongue

Also, they did do a bit of synergy with the Sony movies for a bit. Recall that Peter briefly got Organic Webbing post The Other, along with a strength boost and the Stingers.

Or am I thinking of another arc? I'm sure there was a time where he had Insect Telepathy and Organic Webbing, but it got ignored.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33905: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:37:37 AM

I wish I liked Life Story more. The long look at a Spider-Man that ages and grows is extremely my jam but I felt it did Iron Man dirty and it was too invested on hitting all the bullet points on a list of iconic Spider-Man things to really follow through on changes, always rerailing the plot so it can hit the points. Some plot points spin their wheels forever because there’s huge time skips between issues. Also, Miles gets screwed here. He’s included because he’s an iconic Spider decade thing but he gets mashed into Superior so he doesn’t get to be a character.

The Fantastic Four one wasn’t even that amount of good.

That all said, I’d read Life Stories for other characters if they were made.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33906: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:38:21 AM

Max Dillon Electro was also dead until No Way Home came out, for modern MCU tie-ins.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33907: Mar 30th 2024 at 9:48:33 AM

[up][up]Life Story, for as much as I love it, kinda suffered because Zdarsky intended it to be like maxiseries with twelve issues or so, but the editors convinced him to make it way shorter, so it ended up really compressed. That being said, I really liked the "snapshots" approach to it where you're just seeing some notable days in Peter's life and than there's huge gaps between them that you're left to wonder what all went down.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33908: Mar 30th 2024 at 1:47:56 PM

Yeah...the unwillingness to let Aunt May go is really strange. I suppose it represents the fact that the pro-OMD faction at Marvel is in love with the flawed memories of 60's/70's era Spider-Man...and looks at Aunt May as necessary to maintain what they view as the perfect era for the character. Aside from JMS...May has been largely useless.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33909: Mar 30th 2024 at 1:53:38 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'm reminded hearing how Zdarsky doesn't like Iron Man because of his own political values and Tony is a rich man.

Which considering how harsh Daredevil is to Tony in his Chip's DD run, there is probably a bit of merit to it.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33910: Mar 30th 2024 at 2:11:51 PM

Yeah, Zdarsky is known for not liking Iron Man one bit and it shines through in his writing anytime he handles the character. Life Story was just the most notable instance of it because the elseworld nature of it meant he was allowed to make Iron Man into pretty much what he feels he should be; a supervillain in all but name.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33911: Mar 30th 2024 at 2:13:20 PM

Does he have reasons for disliking Tony beyond he's rich?

Does he maybe think the character got off too easy for Civil War?

Is there something else about him that he doesn't care for?

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33912: Mar 30th 2024 at 2:18:52 PM

I think it's literally just not liking that he's a rich guy, and is specifically a guy who got rich off making and selling weapons... even though literally the entire crux of Iron Man's arc is trying to redeem himself for being a guy who got rich off making and selling weapons.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33913: Mar 30th 2024 at 2:40:48 PM

He somehow managed to swallow his objections to write a Batman run

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33915: Mar 30th 2024 at 7:41:32 PM

Well remember, Batman is significantly poorer in Chip's run thanks to the events of Joker War.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33916: Mar 30th 2024 at 7:48:10 PM

Hilariously enough, Life Story had Peter become a millionaire himself.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33917: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:00:22 PM

Yeah but that's when Peter is at his most miserable, he's divorced, can't see his kids, and is stuck doing corporate shenanigans against Tony.

That's why he's happy to give that life to Ben, while he goes back to his kids and wife and then lives the good ol middle class income class out in the woods.

Chip must really not like the Parker industries era.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33918: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:05:21 PM

In fairness, a lot of people hate the Parker Industries era. Me included, which is a shame because I want to like it; there's a few legitimately great stories in that period and the basic premise is a really cool idea, but it gets dragged down by bullshit like Dead No More and Spider-Verse and so on.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33919: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:10:36 PM

I personally hate it because I already read Batman. So Spider-Man becoming a billionaire industrialist felt so gimmicky and derivative. Doesn't help Slott also wrote Batman comics back in the day so it felt weirdly overlapping.

Also Spider-Man was exploiting labor laws and was in bed with Beijing. That should never happen in a Spider-Man comic.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33920: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:13:41 PM

I didn't think Peter Parker being a billionaire was a good story.

Being an inventor and more Silicon Valley start up guy sounds perfect for Peter, though.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33921: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:15:23 PM

[up][up]Like I said, it's not executed as well as it could've been in any way whatsoever.

[up]That's pretty much what Big Time was.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33922: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:15:53 PM

[up][up]I agree, that said, Slott made sure there was a way to take that away from Peter by making sure Parker Industries was built on Otto's work, nothing of Peter's.

[up] Wasn't Peter working in Horizon tho?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 30th 2024 at 11:16:17 PM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33923: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:18:18 PM

He was indeed, Horizon was the startup. He wasn't running the show, but he was working there.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33924: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:21:28 PM

Yeaaaah, the China shilling in that series was weeeird.

I do remember Marvel around that time was trying really hard to capitalize on the Chinese market, but Slott's ASM felt excessive and out of place for a Spider-Man book.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33925: Mar 30th 2024 at 8:25:24 PM

Working at Horizon felt a good fit for Peter

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