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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33626: Mar 12th 2024 at 6:12:09 PM

If I was a Spider-Man writer, I'd do the following:

  • Ned Leeds would snap Kingsley's neck and reclaim his status as the One True Hobgoblin
  • Norman Osborn would be off to prison and not make a reappearance in my run
  • Harry would be Peter's friend.
  • Peter would date Felicia and Mary Jane in a Betty and Veronica sort of story
  • Peter would teach again, at the university!

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 12th 2024 at 6:12:59 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33627: Mar 12th 2024 at 8:52:13 PM

[up]Ned being "the one true Hobgoblin" is kind of a hilarious thing to claim, given he was never supposed to be Hobgoblin to begin with.

I can get behind the rest of the stuff though.

While we're talking about "what I'd do if I wrote Spider-Man", I think I've mentioned on here before that me and my best friend have a pitch for a Spidey run we made years ago and keep around. It's basically Serial Experiments Lain but with Spider-Man, and goes really hard on horror and deconstruction, basically depicting Spidey and his rogues and supporting cast all being driven steadily insane and physically destroyed by the constant retcon bullshit.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33628: Mar 12th 2024 at 9:17:53 PM

Yeah, Ned was the loser who got himself killed by the Foreigner, you can't come back from that as a villain.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33629: Mar 12th 2024 at 9:33:01 PM

I am a huge fan of Richard Fisk and the Rose.

So Hobgoblin being killed by the Foreigner as part of that is just the mob stuff I love.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 12th 2024 at 9:33:27 AM

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#33630: Mar 12th 2024 at 11:36:53 PM

I think here's what I would do with Spider-Man.

First, give him a new love interest. Probably a civilian. Someone who's fun and kinda silly and plays off Peter's own sense of humour, rather than being dry and belittling Peter. Let her be someone he can relax around. Let the relationship start as casual dating and progress into something serious, and give it at least 5 years. If editorial isn't going to have Peter and MJ get back together permanently, that's fine, but give him something long-term and emotionally healthy. Some readers will never accept her because she's not MJ, but most will be willing to accept her, if she's not written as being "better" than Peter. (Hell, make her fun enough, and supportive enough of Peter, and even some of the people who hate any non-MJ love interest will come around on her.)

Second, find that balance between his victories and defeats. One major thing from the classic days is that, for the most part, when things were going well for Peter, they were going poorly for Spidey, and vice versa. So bring that back. Rather than him having a shitty time in both identities, let things go up and down for each and both. Sometimes, sure, things are going poorly for both identities. That should be followed by things going well for both identities, then a downturn for one identity, then an upturn for that one and a downturn for the other, and so on.

Third, try to keep the book relatively family-friendly. Don't go too dark, at least not too often. Amazing Spider-Man should not be the book where you expect to see horror or gore or shit like that. You can have other Spider-Man books for that. ASM should have a more classic superhero comic vibe, meaning something that the average parent wouldn't have a problem with, say, a 10-year-old reading. Make the book appropriate for 10-year-olds, even if it's not actually aimed at them. Adults will still be fine with that. The creators should be making the book for themselves, telling stories they want to read, it's just a matter of how they tell the stories. Part of that also means not dredging too deep into obscure continuity. Keep it reasonably easy for a new reader to pick it up and say, "Ah, OK, I understand what's going on here, the relationships between these characters is communicated in a clear and concise manner."

Fourth, one cannot underestimate the value of having a consistent artist. A writer and artist team is an incredible thing. You can have fill-in artists for one-shot or two-part stories, but the bulk of the series should have a single artist helping to define it. Also, pay them more. They deserve it, comic artists are frigging wizards and deserve to be compensated.

Fifth, you need an issue with the Fabulous Frog-Man.

And finally, Carthage must be destroyed.

So those are some of my ideas for what should be done with Amazing Spider-Man.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33631: Mar 13th 2024 at 2:41:17 AM

Looks as though Norman is in possession of The Living Brain

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33632: Mar 13th 2024 at 2:50:27 AM

Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 is back and it's very much a direct continuation of Peter David's original 2099 series.

Liked it, but not sure how much of that's nostalgia for the original take on Miguel.

It's also got a guest appearance by Jake Gallows, Punisher 2099. Which seems to ignore the Continuity Snarl that either had him escaped to space or killed by Herod's forces. So he now gets stabbed through the brain by a symbiote-enhanced Kron Stone instead.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33633: Mar 13th 2024 at 6:15:35 AM

Funny moment between Peter and Anna. When he's giving her the cure for her psycho Orchis virus, she mentions Mary Jane giving him the 'googly eyes' and assumes the needle is for him, she thinks he's a junkie!

primenumber101 Since: Mar, 2017
#33634: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:54:37 AM

I would have Peter worked in the FEAST, where he could help people as both Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

Honestly, if OMD ever retconned, I would say instead of erasing the BND continuity, just have both Peter and MJ acknowledged the mistake they made, keep living to make up for the all the time they have lost to one another.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33635: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:51:26 AM

Over in asm sandman is now going by William baker again and trying to be good, he turned himself in a is wearing an inhibitor collar. He does freak out when Peter tells him he is friends with spider-man who worries about him, but he gains control of himself from the flint side of him and tells Peter to warn spider-man that Otto and the six are up to stuff

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33636: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:56:43 AM

[up][up] 'All that time lost' is probably going to amount to a couple of months if they insist on keeping characters only a couple of years older

Edited by Zarius on Mar 13th 2024 at 10:57:11 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33637: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:58:59 AM

With sliding timescale, you can eventually hand wave all the BND stuff as a weird year where Peter and MJ had a trial separation over something or other

Maybe suggest by a couples counselor who will turn out to be Mysterio.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33638: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:10:50 AM

It'll be a few months or "five years", like they gave the time between the original and 90s Clone Saga

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#33639: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:42:21 AM

Wasn't there explicitly an eight month time jump from the end of Secret Wars 2015 to the new titles being launched afterwards?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33640: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:52:47 AM

Yup.

Eight Months Later.

Gonna be a bear to deal with when the sliding timescale hits it. Then again, most explicit mentions of time passing get ignored anyway when the slide hits them

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33641: Mar 13th 2024 at 12:52:27 PM

Johnathan Hickman's Avengers had a lot of weird "X month later" style time skips that didn't really seem to have any effect on things. If you were to take them literally, you'd probably assume that the entire Hickman run took place over nearly a decade which it very clearly did not.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33642: Mar 13th 2024 at 6:25:34 PM

Latest Carnage issue creates some tension between the symbiote and Cletus. They kinda already killed off the Extremebiote Cletus, but I wonder if this will lead up to a confrontation between the 2? Carnage wants apotheosis, and spent a long time trying to deliberately become the God of Butchers. Cletus infamously hates planning, turning on his own allies and becoming extra violent to his enemies when they suggest there's some pattern or method to his slaughter.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33645: Mar 14th 2024 at 4:38:21 PM

Double post. Caught this video about Peter's patrol route. Kinda sad.

I wanted to properly embed it, but I couldn't figure out how for some reason. That's super annoying.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33646: Mar 14th 2024 at 4:42:14 PM

Peter Parker: a pro at beating himself up.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33647: Mar 14th 2024 at 4:44:12 PM

[up]The good news is, that's why none of his enemies have managed to beat him up.

Because nobody beats up Spiderman as much as Spiderman does.tongue

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33648: Mar 14th 2024 at 5:09:37 PM

The Spectacular Self-Flagellator

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primenumber101 Since: Mar, 2017
#33649: Mar 14th 2024 at 6:43:19 PM

As some fan once said, nobody hates Peter Parker more than Peter Parker himself.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#33650: Mar 14th 2024 at 10:31:13 PM

Can anyone cite any comics where Mysterio and the Chameleon teamed up?


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