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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33526: Feb 29th 2024 at 2:46:08 PM

After 8 years, Devin Lewis is retiring as editor for the Venom books.

He's teasing that he's moving on to a new book, but doesn't say what, apart from gushing that the comics he's been reading to prepare for it have been very good.

However, keep in mind that he's been editing the spin-off books stemming from Wells' ASM run, like Red Goblin, Gold Goblin, MJ/BC, plus he's been editing Daredevil, where Spidey has been really good.

...Dare I suggest Devin Lewis will take over as ASM editor?

primenumber101 Since: Mar, 2017
#33527: Feb 29th 2024 at 10:53:10 PM

[up] At this point, I think any other editors should take over after Lowe for Spider-Man.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33528: Feb 29th 2024 at 11:11:23 PM

It's a shame the guy editing all of the JMD Spidey books (Ben Reilly, Lost Hunt) hasn't landed the job yet.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33529: Mar 1st 2024 at 5:14:52 AM

The Registration issue basically is one of those things that shows you how you view a subject's allegory.

Is Registering a mutant like registering a gun or registering someone as trans?

Because in the Marvel universe, it's sold to the public as the former but it's really the latter because the government is full of bad actors who want to murder children. And we live in a time where, yes, that is not a joking fear a the government of the US is full of bad actors who want to murder children.

It's sort of like Batman: No Man's Land where the criticism of the comic was the US government would never abandon a major US city to disaster due to incompetence and prejudice against the primarily impoverished citizens.

And then Katrina happened...

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#33530: Mar 1st 2024 at 5:35:04 AM

And what would it mean for stories where it portrays as Humans willingly working for an Alien empire if it means they'll get spared and be granted greater power?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#33531: Mar 1st 2024 at 11:33:45 AM

[up][up] If I recall correct, No Man's Land didn't simply have the government provide no/insufficient aid, but outright say "Gotham City is no longer part of the country".

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33532: Mar 1st 2024 at 11:36:08 AM

And what would it mean for stories where it portrays as Humans willingly working for an Alien empire if it means they'll get spared and be granted greater power?

It depends on the Empire, one of the interesting stories I read was DUCHY OF TERRA by Glynn Stewart where the human collaborators are with a progressive socialist The Federation and La Résistance is made of bigots and nationalists.

Which means allegory needs to be well defined.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 1st 2024 at 11:36:38 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33533: Mar 1st 2024 at 12:23:34 PM

"OK, new plan, anyone you see helping the invaders is a valid Human Shield"

Wake me up at your own risk.
Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33534: Mar 1st 2024 at 12:32:14 PM

Just a reminder -

This is a Spider-Man thread, and discussions that go too far away from that may get thumped.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33535: Mar 1st 2024 at 9:26:45 PM

First look at Shadow of the Green Goblin

Oh hey, Intimacy between Gwen and Norman. Remind you of anything? Nothing bad hopefullytongue

Edited by Zarius on Mar 1st 2024 at 9:27:30 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33536: Mar 1st 2024 at 9:33:15 PM

Mysterio is one hell of an actor.

Kidding aside, I'm glad to see Green Goblin back again.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33537: Mar 2nd 2024 at 6:28:32 AM

At this point, I think any other editors should take over after Lowe for Spider-Man.

Too true.

But I think Devin has the edge if only because he's been editing the recent Spider-Books that aren't ASM and those have been remarkably well received.

Heck, even in Devin's non-Spider books where he's essentially a guest star (*eyes Chip Zdarsky's Daredevil run*), Spidey consistently a GOAT. Like, can anyone imagine Wells' Spidey trying to do the lecture he gave Daredevil in issue #5 of Zdarsky's run? Because I sure can't.

Mind you, a lot of this is still up in the air, so I especially need to not get ahead of myself, but I can't stop chasing this feeling that change is coming.

(Incidentally, who'd be great for making Spidey amazing again? Chip Zdarsky or Donny Cates?)

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33538: Mar 2nd 2024 at 3:24:56 PM

The preview for Giant-Size Spider-Gwen is out.

Seems like MJ is keeping her symbiote powers that she regained in Spider-Gwen Smash.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33539: Mar 2nd 2024 at 3:51:42 PM

I’m just alarmed that Gwen’s world is getting focus

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33540: Mar 2nd 2024 at 3:53:50 PM

People at Marvel really like the MJ with a Symbiote idea, don't they?

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33541: Mar 2nd 2024 at 3:57:04 PM

I actually wonder if Marvel is kicking themselves for making Spider-Gwen an Alternate Universe character instead of using it as a way to revive Old School Gwen, considering how often they try to bring her to the main universe.

Cause it's clear they want her there, but don't want Old Gwen back (they've had chances to do it) but also can't; separate her from her universe, because that's what people find the most interesting about her, etc, etc.

And she was introduced after Secret Wars (2015), where they ported Miles over too, so they couldn't use that as an excuse (plus the Ultimate Universe was kinda a trash fire by then, so Mile actually moved up in the world).

So now they have this popular character that they can't use with their other popular characters because her popularity is based off being her own thing.

One Strip! One Strip!
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33542: Mar 2nd 2024 at 3:58:42 PM

[up][up]

I think it's only happened 3 times in the entire history of Spiderman? First time in the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon to make her Carnage/Spiderwoman, then a brief stint as "a" Carnage during King in Black (and now), and in the Insomniac game where they made her Scream.

I like it though. It's a nice twist on her 616 characterization of hating anything to do with symbiotes ever since Venom traumatized her (probably could've used better wording but you get the point).

Edited by Spirit on Mar 2nd 2024 at 6:59:06 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33543: Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:00:48 PM

[up][up] Honestly Gwen on her own is not that interesting.

The appeal of the character lies in the perspective flip of someone else being Spider-Man instead of Peter which later on morphed into her own unique world.

Had Gwen been brought in to 616 she would just be another regular spider-person.

[up] The Renew Your Vows comic also gave her a symbiote suit for an arc.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:01:29 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Digitalhero93 Since: Jun, 2017
#33544: Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:21:18 PM

[up][up][up]The original Spider-verse event happened in 2014. So Spider-Gwen was created and appeared before Secret Wars (2015). She even appeared breifly in the A-Force part of the event. Still doesn't explain why Marvel didn't bring her over then.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33545: Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:29:23 PM

I’m just alarmed that Gwen’s world is getting focus

In Smash too. It's why i wish Melissa Flores was writing the new ongoing, she clearly has interest in exploring Gwen's world.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33546: Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:09:28 PM

I've made my opinion on Gwen in the 616 universe clear. She has the potential to be like Miles and just needs to establish her full cast here. The other Spider-Women suffer because they don't ever get their own people.

They dismantled Arana's.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33547: Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:15:05 PM

If they gave Gwen an original supporting cast shifting her over would be easier, but from what I can tell the only unique character on that entire earth is the Bodega Bandit.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33548: Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:25:29 PM

616 Frank could be slotted in as an antagonist for Gwen, since he's not all that different the 65 counterpart, but he's currently in Weirdworld.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33549: Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:33:06 PM

[up][up][up] A supporting cast does not provide a large enough band-aid to the actual problems that Gwen would no longer be unique or interesting living on 616.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:36:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33550: Mar 2nd 2024 at 5:39:26 PM

This is true. I say Marvel missed their chance, but when you think about it, there never really was a chance to try, because everything interesting about Ghost-Spider-Woman-Gwen comes from her being from a different universe.

Had she been imagined as somehow being from the 616, she'd have probably been lost in the shuffle, but in this manner, she can be something unique.

One Strip! One Strip!

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