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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33476: Feb 25th 2024 at 12:30:22 PM

It's probably a good thing he doesn't drink, he clearly can't handle liquor well.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33477: Feb 25th 2024 at 12:37:57 PM

The way Macendale doesn't get brought up anymore unless it's so Roderick can insult him is way too funny.

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Goku Black
#33478: Feb 25th 2024 at 12:40:18 PM

what's roderick doing now?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33479: Feb 25th 2024 at 1:06:31 PM

Just various Hobgoblin activities, various crimes and rackets. The biggest thing he was involved with was a running thing awhile back where he basically bought up a lot of Z-List villain identities and loaned the identities and their gear out to random crooks as a kind of loan-shark scheme, complete with breaking legs if people trying to break contract or fail to pay.

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33480: Feb 25th 2024 at 4:24:46 PM

Just a couple more cents on Peter and MJ overall.

1. When you get down to it, MJ being the one to make it to marriage is the result of a happy accident. While a foil to Gwen, she wasn't a girlfriend as Gwen or Betty was.

So they had to actually make her interesting of coasting through as the love interest.

2. Would have brought down the Clone Saga even more and according to Marvel, divorce would age him more, but the end of the CS would have been the moment to do so if need be.

Losing their child whether Peter's double life is at fault or not(*) would have at least work as the emotional breaking point and is something that can sour a relationship.

The fact though that she didn't leave him upon discovering/believing him to be a copy just reaffirms that the marriage should have been accepted wholesale and just work with it.

(*)Norman even was established to be against MJ cause from his perspective "she broke Harry's heart and pushed him to drugs".

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33481: Feb 25th 2024 at 4:35:02 PM

Spider-Editorial could've gotten the status quo they want years ago if they were willing to stop being stubborn dipshits about having it be in the EXACT ways they want and just bite a bullet or two.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33482: Feb 25th 2024 at 6:14:27 PM

Biting bullets do hurt though. They're made of metal even when they aren't being fired out of a gun.

That being said, their refusal to compromise screwed them something fierce. There's little denying that.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33483: Feb 26th 2024 at 7:59:49 AM

So I've been trying to find that old Spider-Man clip of him yelling at Madame Web so far no luck but damn, it's been a while since I remembered how crazy weird this character actually is in this 90s series.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33484: Feb 26th 2024 at 8:07:52 AM

There is something rather weird about how Madame Web was this sort of mystic figure during a time where Spidey wasn't big on mysticism and supernatural stuff, but didn't appear like at all when the JMS run rolled in and the series did start delving into that kind of thing, not really showing up again until she died in Grim Hunt.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33485: Feb 26th 2024 at 8:30:53 AM

Oddly enough, it actually works for her.

She has this aura of mystique and wonder to her, and she's not explicitly a part of Spider-Man's backstory or how he got Spider-powers. She's just a very powerful cosmic being (At least in the cartoon.) who has an interest in Spider-Man. Her presence doesn't actually drag things down like Morlun does.

I actually like their dynamic more in the show, where she's actually a good contrast with Aunt May and Jameson in someone who has that tough love trickster mentor energy to her.

She's an interesting in-between mentor and she knows both sides of Spider-Man's life, it's actually good that he be both Spider-Man and Peter Parker to her.

She's kind of like magic Alfred Pennyworth.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 27th 2024 at 12:31:22 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33486: Feb 26th 2024 at 11:50:55 PM

Gang War conclusion

MJ turns up for the final fight, but doesn't talk much to Peter...instead she interacts much more with Bailey on the battlefield. Tombstone takes control of the mobs again, but loses some face depending on Spider-Man, so he tells Peter that, while he owes him, he's still gonna kill him one day. Randy wakes from his coma and Peter is very happy

In the letters pages, Lowe says this is the end of 'phase two' of the run, and that from next issue we're in 'phase three', also there will be new romantic chapters in Peter's life across Free Comic Book Day and the next few arcs

Edited by Zarius on Feb 26th 2024 at 11:51:42 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33487: Feb 27th 2024 at 12:48:22 AM

Can't wait to see the new love interests for Peter that will be forgotten in a couple of years.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33488: Feb 27th 2024 at 7:30:58 AM

[up][up]So after all of that we quite literally end up right back where we started and absolutely NO status quo changes or forward momentum whatsoever. Wow.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33489: Feb 27th 2024 at 10:31:57 AM

[up]Tis' the way of the Post-OMD era.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 27th 2024 at 10:32:18 AM

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#33490: Feb 27th 2024 at 5:52:45 PM

They say they want the character to move forward but never want to let him leave the loser protagonist stage of the story. They seem so obsessed with making Peter an underdog/everyman that he doesn't seem to have a life worth trying to protect anymore.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33491: Feb 27th 2024 at 11:32:52 PM

Very true. At this point...Peter wouldn't really have much to lose if he was just Spider-Man 24/7. As Peter...he has no career...no social life to speak of...he's eternally broke...he may as well as just get on a motorcycle and travel the country like Ben did in the 90's.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33492: Feb 28th 2024 at 1:32:16 AM

Is he broke tho? I thought he was getting paychecks from Norman Osborn?

That's what I saw last time I read. He was pretty well off for Spider-Man standards.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#33493: Feb 28th 2024 at 4:10:46 AM

The Peter Parker I knew would never take money from the Green Goblin.

Weirdly, I think Peter would be trying to cure Norman....so he could spend the rest of his life in prison.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33494: Feb 28th 2024 at 4:22:07 AM

But Charles, don't you know that Norman has been like a dad to Peter all these years? Of course Peter would take money and tech from him.

But seriously, I do think the run has a cool idea of a lonelier and jaded Spider-Man starting to resort to using tech and other things from his villains as a sign of his heartbreak from losing MJ.

But Wells isn't that writer.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33495: Feb 28th 2024 at 6:13:43 AM

[up][up]That sounds like MCU Peter. I don't think regular Peter has ever even tried sending Norman to jail.

The only time I remember Norman ever getting captured was in like the last issue of Slott's run where he thought he was Carnage and got sent to Ravencroft.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33496: Feb 28th 2024 at 6:40:55 AM

Regular Peter did try sometimes but he always escaped, and his amnesia meant he couldn't arrest him as Norman.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33497: Feb 28th 2024 at 6:53:13 AM

Remember that Peter Parker agreed to a truce with Norman Osborn at the end of a Death in the family.

Like he did with Venom. Peter can't arrest Norman because the latter knows who he is.

It was technically Luke Cage and Jessica Jones who exposed Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33498: Feb 28th 2024 at 7:26:23 AM

Frankly, given the history between Peter and Norman, I think it'd be perfectly forgivable for Peter to just try and kill him every time they meet, regardless of circumstance.

Anyways, I concur that with the way things have gotten Post-OMD, Peter really at this point has no reason to even bother with the Peter Parker life and no reason to not devote himself full-time to Spider-Man. Hell, it's obvious the Spider-Man stuff is all these people at Spider-Editorial care about themselves.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33499: Feb 28th 2024 at 9:08:54 AM

I’ve checked out of Spider-Men after Ben became Chasm but I read the Luke Cage tie-in to Gang War where a big conflict is that the anti-vigilante law is still on the books and it’s stopping Luke from openly helping or getting his super friends to openly help while the city descends into crime hell

And I know that the anti-vigilante law impacted Miles’ book because the police tried to entrap him with a fake crime.

But aside from the law being mentioned as a reason why Wasp had to do the Avengers Inc book in plainclothes, I don’t think it’s been a universally used plot point

The Strange Academy Spider-Man teamup didn’t mention that the kids would be in trouble for using magic in NYC.

Spider-Man and Gold Goblin were seemingly operating with no trouble.

Has the anti-vigilante law come up in Amazing much?

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33500: Feb 28th 2024 at 9:19:46 AM

It barely comes up in any books. Unsurprisingly, given it's an utterly stupid and bizarre plot point; in this setting, it'd be akin to if New York tried to outlaw firefighters.


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