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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33401: Feb 21st 2024 at 11:55:49 AM

[up]The shittiest Venom host who had the symbiote during the Mike Costa run just before Eddie got it back. He's a generally awful, misanthropic piece of shit in every conceivable way, stuck around for an annoyingly long time in a Creator's Pet way, royally screwed over the deeply loved Ensemble Dark Horse Mania, and then was finally put out of everyone's misery when the Cates run mercifully saw him get mutilated by Carnage.

We've actually known he was coming back in some form in the Ewing run for a decently long while; way back near the start, we were shown a glimpse of what the Ewing Venom run was seemingly building towards - Eddie and the other Kings in Black being confronted by a team of symbiote-themed heroes and villains led by Dylan as Codex - and Lee was amongst them.

Edited by immortaleditor on Feb 21st 2024 at 11:56:22 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33402: Feb 21st 2024 at 11:57:05 AM

Ahhh

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DeltaCube91 from Elm Street Since: Jan, 2024
#33403: Feb 21st 2024 at 1:20:33 PM

Read USM 2 and seeing Peter starting to quip already makes me happy.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33404: Feb 21st 2024 at 1:46:19 PM

@Bojac

That was Angelo Fortuno, who won the auction. After Venom abandoned him it found it's way to Scorpion.

Lee Price was the host in-between Flash and Eddie, and was basically just "We want classic Venom back but Eddie is currently Toxin so..."

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33405: Feb 21st 2024 at 1:51:27 PM

Price was the one that took the Mania symbiote from Andi Benton i think.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33406: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:08:20 PM

He was yes, became Mania and was subject to several stories as the main antag.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#33407: Feb 21st 2024 at 3:59:19 PM

Poor Mania lost her look since that

Scream is a bit too samey between hosts in comparison

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33408: Feb 21st 2024 at 4:37:23 PM

She has Silence now at least with anti venom added to it. Kinda like how Liz has Agony which is carnage plus antivenom

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33409: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:08:49 PM

Misery, actually. And apparently it's not a single symbiote but 2 symbiotes she's wearing, both an Anti-Venom and Carnage offshoots.

Meanwhile Normie is supposed to be wearing an actual "Anti-Carnage" symbiote...except they dropped the "Anti" part alongside the white coloring, so now his Rascal symbiote is apparently just either Carnage's latest offspring or clone. It's not clear which.

Which is a lot to take in. Symbiote stuff outside of King in Black story has gotten inconsistent.

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Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33410: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:25:29 PM

Oh yeah, so on the Marvel/DC front, especially back when both continuum were freshly new and current, anyone ever entertain the thought of the MC 2 Avengers encounter the Justice League Unlimited team, preceded by a Spider-Girl/Batman (Terry Mc Ginnis) team up?

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33411: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:27:45 PM

Made a trope page for the fan film The Green Goblin's Last Stand!

EDIT: No to the above question, but I like that idea!

Edited by lalalei2001 on Feb 21st 2024 at 9:28:10 AM

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33412: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:44:56 PM

[up][up][up]didnt they retcon that so rascal was a clipping of the bedlam form of eddie? kang took a clip of it and called it a rascal in issue 25

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33413: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:57:46 PM

I'll be honest, while I usually don't have a ton of complaint about Uniqueness Decay and think most complaints about it are dumb, with the symbiotes, it really does feel like the concept is getting run into the ground a bit. Of the ones we have running around now, the only ones I'd consider worthy of keeping around are Venom himself, Dylan, Mania, Sleeper, and Flexo. Maybe Carnage if somebody does something actually interesting with him. Everybody else kinda feels unnecessary at best.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33414: Feb 21st 2024 at 6:59:11 PM

I like Sleeper because Sleeper is a cat

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33415: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:01:39 PM

I have never heard of Sleeper but also like them because they are a cat.

Given how symbiotes tend to be violent by nature be I can see Sleeper as the Marvel counterpart to DC's Dex-Starr, who's a Red Lantern and always angry.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Feb 21st 2024 at 10:02:04 AM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33416: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:03:11 PM

Sleeper is great, hence why I included him in the five I'd keep around.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33417: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:03:44 PM

It's a problem with spin-offing characters to such a massive degree. It's what happened to Hulk in the 2000s with all the rainbow Hulks.

Or in a hypothetical look at the Captain America Railway, imagine giving all the Caps introduced in that series their own book.

That would very much water down the concept.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33418: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:08:05 PM

Some of them were hypothetically interesting

Probably

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33419: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:14:08 PM

[up][up]The Hulk example is notable I feel because the comics that followed showed the problem wasn't with the inherent idea of there being a bunch of gamma mutates, but with all of them just repetitive and not having enough to distinguish them. Like how Betty being a mutate became a thousand times better when Ewing brought back the Harpy idea and look instead of her just being "She-Hulk but red".

That's also what I tried to highlight with my suggestion of which symbiotes should be kept around. The ones I listed off are all fairly unique and don't feel like cheap rehashes of Venom with declining results for each one.

Edited by immortaleditor on Feb 21st 2024 at 7:15:32 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33420: Feb 21st 2024 at 7:19:09 PM

Tellingly with Sleeper he at least has a unique face design with the 4 red eyes compared to the general Spidey-eyes/toothy maw that Venom and Carnage standardized.

The symbiotes have an issue like the Hulk copies since due to their simple designs they tend to just be bland palette swaps of Venom/Hulk.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 21st 2024 at 7:22:09 AM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33421: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:04:57 PM

Except most Gamma Mutates don't look like Hulk.

Like how Betty being a mutate became a thousand times better when Ewing brought back the Harpy idea and look instead of her just being "She-Hulk but red".

Red Harpy also looks better than Betty's original Harpy form too.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 21st 2024 at 12:06:01 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33422: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:12:31 PM

Red Harpy is the best

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33423: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:13:14 PM

Sleeper is interesting because he doesn't need to be bonded to anyone he can just survive on his own while he looks like a green and purple cat. He just can't use his full power without a human host

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33424: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:19:23 PM

[up][up][up] That's my point, the Hulk-copycat gamma mutates are what dilute the brand and are an uninteresting execution of the concept.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33425: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:20:01 PM

[up][up]That's been a recent thing with all symbiotes.

Edited by Spirit on Feb 21st 2024 at 11:20:19 AM

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