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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33301: Feb 17th 2024 at 3:12:42 PM

In regards to the "What Ifs ending ridiculously horribly as if to say that's why canon had to be" issue, I think that's a small but important part of why I vastly prefer What Ifs/Elseworlds that are more radically different continuities than just For Want Of A Nail style stuff. Stuff like MC2, 1602, Mangaverse, both Ultimate Universes, Spider-Gwen, Last Stand, 2099, the various Edge of Spider-Verse realities, etc. are always going to be vastly more interesting and fun than a dozen issues of "if our shitty canon story didn't happen, everything would've sucked forever".

Plus it would make the multiverse lore more interesting and more meaningful, each universe being it's own thing with it's own people and only variations on vague themes rather than a trillion Peter Parkers who's stories go nearly exactly the same.

Edited by immortaleditor on Feb 17th 2024 at 3:15:18 AM

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33302: Feb 17th 2024 at 3:32:23 PM

Also on a more minor, but still significant note is if you prefer Spider-Girl over Spider-Man as it did The Gathering of Five and Final Chapter isn't just the the couple getting Baby May back.

It even confirmed via letter page that The Amazing Spider-Man #400 in it's original intent is still valid and was the real May Reilly passing on after giving her blessing for Peter being Spider-Man.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33303: Feb 17th 2024 at 3:38:06 PM

Had a funny thought, but if Toei Spidey were to ever be in a show or movie like the Spider-Verse films, Yuri Lowenthal should voice him.

It be a casting gag to a particular performance he did.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33304: Feb 17th 2024 at 4:49:56 PM

As regards What Ifs, there's a scene in Reckoning War where Uatu gets Kangaroo Court'd by the other Watchers for constantly breaking his non-interference clause, and is sentenced to an eternity of watching the one universe he's never watched before - the one where he refused to help the Fantastic Four defeat Galactus. Turns out that they would've figured out how to do it on their own, and in the process Reed would invent a new miracle fuel that solves all social and environmental problems.

...except later, when the heroes save him, we learn the Watchers put their recording of this reality on loop so Uatu wouldn't see the ending, where the super-fuel causes the Earth to explode, meaning Uatu was right to intervene and the other Watchers were just being dicks.

I feel like there's some sort of commentary on the "What Ifs that seem undeniably better than canon always turn out worse" phenomenon there but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33305: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:26:26 PM

So the existence of that really poor Sony Spiderverse film that has nothing to do with its title character made me realize that I'd have loved to see a confrontation between Madame Web (classic or Julia Carpenter version) and Mystique.

Scry vs. Scry is always an interesting battle.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33306: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:28:00 PM

I only know Madame Web from her appearance on the 90s Spider-Man show but I really loved her introduction where Doctor Strange senses the presence of someone far more powerful than him, and then we cut to Madame Web looking over him in her crystal ball.

Like the framing of that scene really sold her as this powerful and mysterious figure.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33307: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:33:59 PM

[up]It was an encounter with Madame Web in the comics that lead to Peter having his first ever encounter with The Juggernaut.

He seemingly didn't know who Cain was. But he learned. Boy did he learn.

He still won, and is one of the few people barring the X-Men who've beaten Juggie in a fight (who's strength isn't on par with the Juggernaut), but still.

Peter's never forgotten that encounter.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33308: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:36:16 PM

On another bit of fun trivia, did you know Madame Web in the 90s cartoon was played by Stan Lee's wife?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33309: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:38:17 PM

I did not.

That's awesome.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33310: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:39:36 PM

Yeah there's even a scene at the end where Spider-Man meets Stan Lee(long story.) and Stan Lee meets Madame Web and calls her an exotic woman.

It's nice when you know the RL trivia behind these things.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33311: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:41:07 PM

I know that scene. I did watch the show.

I just never knew Madame Web was played by Stan's wife.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33312: Feb 17th 2024 at 6:41:57 PM

Well now you know why Stan Lee was hitting on Madame Web.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33313: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:29:27 PM

“ So the existence of that really poor Sony Spiderverse film that has nothing to do with its title character made me realize that I'd have loved to see a confrontation between Madame Web (classic or Julia Carpenter version) and Mystique.

Scry vs. Scry is always an interesting battle.”

Did you mean Destiny? Mystique just does shapeshifting, right?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33314: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:42:17 PM

Yes I did.

As always, I change nothing for prosperity.

Though maybe I should just fix it. No matter how many times I leave that stuff in to remind myself not to do it, I do it again.

One Strip! One Strip!
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33315: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:42:30 PM

[up]x7 Spidey vs Juggernaut is still hands down one of my favorite fights in Marvel history. That arc did an amazing job with that match-up, emphasizing how totally out of his depth Spidey was, but also that he had more than enough cunning to give Juggy a run for his money anyways and ultimately just barely come out on top.

The bit where Peter drives a fucking gas tanker into Juggernaut and blows it up to try and slow him down even slightly and it does nothing is the best.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33316: Feb 17th 2024 at 9:27:14 PM

Wasn't that the "fight" where Spidey throws everything at Juggernaut, he ignores it all until he gets angry enough to swat Spidey, before finally Spidey wins by tricking Juggernaut to run into a pool of wet cement?

#IceBearForPresident
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33317: Feb 17th 2024 at 9:44:10 PM

Night Thrasher also tried his hand at fighting Juggy, which is even more insane in his case as Thrasher is just a regular guy.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000010493.jpg

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 18th 2024 at 11:17:59 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33318: Feb 18th 2024 at 5:35:30 AM

Ultimate Spider-Man#2 has leaked early

Little May's the first to find out who Peter is

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33319: Feb 18th 2024 at 7:26:39 AM

[up][up]I really like that scene too.

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#33320: Feb 18th 2024 at 8:20:16 AM

Alright so I've read issues #3 and #4 of Superior Spider-Man 2023... And I really loved the latter.

Want to know why?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33321: Feb 18th 2024 at 8:36:53 AM

Sure, I’ll bite. Why?

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#33322: Feb 18th 2024 at 8:48:34 AM

The battle at the center of the mind.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33323: Feb 19th 2024 at 1:24:30 AM

So we may have a reason for all the relationship misery in Amazing Spider-Man. It's emerged via podcast interviews with Heidi Gardner that she and Zeb have seperated.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33324: Feb 19th 2024 at 1:25:20 AM

Oh.

So is Paul the self insert or Peter?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33325: Feb 19th 2024 at 1:38:38 AM

[up] Yeah, it'd be interesting to interpret Paul as the self-insert, given what happens to the kids, which deprives him of that future as a dad, it could be both are a self-insert, with Peter his self-pitying side that he'd ideally want his spouse immediately forgiving for all the trouble he causes and remain friends with him even if he's been a jerk.

I shouldn't be playing the role of therapist though, not without demanding 25 cents.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 19th 2024 at 1:39:15 AM


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