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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33276: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:21:21 AM

I was gonna joke about Aquaman being the first superhero to marry and have a kid on-panel but then I remembered his toddler son was murdered by a villain. :(

He and Spider-Man have similar angst sources...

Edited by lalalei2001 on Feb 17th 2024 at 11:21:47 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#33277: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:30:23 AM

Did that get retconned or undone because of the constant reboots?

Like Aquababy didn't die in the movie.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33278: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:33:11 AM

Not to my knowledge. Aqua-baby being dead has remained pretty firmly canon through most of the reboots, probably because it's one of Aquaman's best and most notable storylines. It definitely remained canon in Post-Crisis, where Black Manta practically made a sick running gag out of reminding Arthur about how he killed his son.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33279: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:34:41 AM

Man, and here I thought the Joker was infamous for killing Jason Todd.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33280: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:49:16 AM

It’s actually fascinating how Aquaman was able to develop as a character and how his situation evolved. Because he wasn’t Superman or Batman, he could do that

He went from a loner, to adopting a mutant child. He was apart from Atlantis, barely having anything to do with them. And then he became the hero of the city and then it’s king. He met Mera and had a Superman/Lois Lane esque relationship with her. But then they actually got married and had a child together.

And the thing is that because he was allowed to evolve, it’s become his iconic status quo that he’s king of Atlantis and husband to Mera

Even Superman isn’t that consistently married to Lois Lane because reboots keep happening but there’s little in Aquaman’s earlier stuff that’s as appealing as king of Atlantis, married to Mera

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33281: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:49:31 AM

Does Peter Parker know his baby died post-OMD?

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#33282: Feb 17th 2024 at 8:50:23 AM

Norman has referenced it so it either still happened or nobody gave him the memo that the past has been retconned

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 17th 2024 at 8:51:01 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#33283: Feb 17th 2024 at 9:00:31 AM

I'm surprised Editorial even let that slip with how iron fisted they are about OMD.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33284: Feb 17th 2024 at 9:01:05 AM

Did Gold Goblin have different editors?

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33285: Feb 17th 2024 at 9:05:54 AM

Marvel let MJ be depicted as pregnant and married in "The Lost Hunt"

Edited by Zarius on Feb 17th 2024 at 9:13:05 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#33286: Feb 17th 2024 at 11:30:33 AM

On the subject of Aquaman, I think the death of his first child is noncanon currently.

At the moment they are treating Arthur and Mera's new daughter Andy as the first kid Arthur has, with Arthur jr. and Koryak currently retconned out.

Probably a couple reasons for that, like how Andy was intended to be Aquamana's successor for 5G and then they tried a redemption storyline for Black Manta which obviously wouldn't work if he ya know killed a kid out of spite.

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Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#33287: Feb 17th 2024 at 11:43:44 AM

Just a reminder - this is specifically a Spider-Man thread, so discussion of DC is going off-topic unless it's a comparison.

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 17th 2024 at 7:43:59 PM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33288: Feb 17th 2024 at 12:42:01 PM

Have Peter and MJ or any of his other love interests across the multiverse ever had a child besides Mayday? Just wondering.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#33289: Feb 17th 2024 at 12:54:07 PM

[up]

The Spidergirl future show that Mayday gets a younger brother named Ben.

And the Renew Your Vows timeline shows that instead Ben they have another girl named Annie.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#33290: Feb 17th 2024 at 1:01:44 PM

Life story also gives him a girl and a boy.

The girl kinda looks like Mayday, although I think she was named Annie.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33291: Feb 17th 2024 at 1:59:50 PM

[up]No she was named Claire. Which is weird because in terms of design, characterization, and general role in the story, she was quite blatantly meant to be Mayday, all the way down to her brother still being named Benjy and her becoming Spider-Girl in the final issue. No idea why Zdarsky didn't just call her May; maybe because in his version, Aunt May was still alive when Mayday/Claire was born.

There was also another son named Ben in the Bloodlines comic, who aside from the name had nothing to do with Benjy.

Other than all those exceptions to the rule, Mayday is pretty much the go-to if any writer wants to give Peter and MJ a kid, largely because Mayday is awesome and near-universally beloved.

Edited by immortaleditor on Feb 17th 2024 at 2:00:15 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33292: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:02:24 PM

I wonder if a hypothetical Peter/Felicia kid would inherit their mom's white hair.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33293: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:06:17 PM

I'm honestly forgetting if Felicia's hair is naturally white or a wig or dyed or what. I'm also forgetting if there's ever been a canon universe where Pete and Felicia were endgame ship and had a kid, which suggests to me that if there was, it was in something so obscure even I never read it or forgot about it.

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#33294: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:17:11 PM

[up]

There isn't one. Even the issue of What If? where the question posed is, "What if Spider-Man Married the Black Cat", has the marriage end due to Felicia accidentally outing Spider-Man's secret identity while rubbing her marriage to Spidey in Mary Jane's face. This leads to an assassination attempt from Vaulture that nearly kills Aunt May, Black Cat killing Vulture in revenge for making Spidey cutting off the relationship, and Black Cat getting shot while trying to help Mary Jane escape a fight between Spidey and Paladin.

Hasn't stopped fan artists and shippers, obviously.

Edited by reppuzan on Feb 17th 2024 at 2:23:29 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33295: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:34:25 PM

I really hate when What Ifs just have everything turn out cartoonishly awful from the point of divergence, even when it makes no sense.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33296: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:36:58 PM

[up] What if Peter saved Gwen ended like that too. IIRC they become fugitives from justice on their wedding day after Norman leaks Peter's identity to the press.

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#33297: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:40:23 PM

Though speaking of DC in a more relevant sense, Linkara is reviewing Marvel VS DC next month via Patreon.

Still surprised that he wouldn't anyway even with it being more good.

Especially since it is within the Clone Saga and with that snafu of Ben using the Peter Parker identity even though it is after The Sensational Spider-Man #0. Done for casuals, but still yeah.

Also kind of feeds the explanation that those merged worlds (Not Amalgam) crossovers happened via slight merging as The Joker recalls meeting Spidey. Access even refers to the second crossover at the beginning of Unlimited Access #1.

And that belief in mind, yeah an old observation early in the 2000s is Doom in the second Superman/Spider-Man team up built a tunnel between New York and Metropolis, which could have possibly remained as a link even with the worlds separating.

I'm surprised Editorial even let that slip with how iron fisted they are about OMD.

Also technically shouldn't be able to happen. I mean didn't MJ suggest marriage only if they had a child and no baby out of wedlock?

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#33298: Feb 17th 2024 at 2:54:31 PM

I really hate when What Ifs just have everything turn out cartoonishly awful from the point of divergence, even when it makes no sense.

At best it comes off as a blatant excuse to be edgy.

At worst it comes off as a passive aggressive post-hoc excuse as to why "canon" had to go the way it did.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33300: Feb 17th 2024 at 3:03:31 PM

@ 33296 I'm still sad they never returned to that universe, cause it was begging for a sequel.

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