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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33076: Jan 26th 2024 at 7:18:51 AM

Norman is going to be the most toxic ex in Spider-Man's history.

Maybe MJ will finally reveal she's a mind swapped Norman Osborn.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
chino514 (Apprentice)
#33077: Jan 26th 2024 at 2:07:50 PM

Could MJ be the superior Norman Osborn then the actual man himself?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33078: Jan 26th 2024 at 5:30:23 PM

Now there’s an idea. MJ was injected with a pseudo Goblin-Oz formula in the ultimate universe and became Demogoblin.

I’ve joked a lot about how this run basically switched Norman’s and MJ’s characters, complete with Norman being a red head who knows Peter’s secret identity, tries to be supportive, despite everyone else treating Pete like garbage, and is the one most concerned when the Goblin possess Peter.

Far as I’m concerned, MJ and Norman swapped bodies at some point.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33079: Jan 26th 2024 at 6:07:56 PM

does that mean it was Norman who hugged Peter to their boobs at the end of that or

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33080: Jan 26th 2024 at 6:39:26 PM

Yes.

You heard me. It makes more sense than anything going on in Wells' run. That way, we can say Paul has been fucking Norman all along.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
chino514 (Apprentice)
#33081: Jan 26th 2024 at 6:41:17 PM

And is MJ-in-Norman currently being superior to the original Norman?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#33082: Jan 26th 2024 at 6:42:54 PM

Huh upcoming new Spidey 2099 book has Miguel with a symbiote and fighting against the original Venom 2099 again

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"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33083: Jan 26th 2024 at 6:46:32 PM

[up][up] Considering MJ as Norman isn't murdering people and is the Gold Goblin yeah.

Shit posting aside, I do think it would be a neat idea if MJ actually did use Green Goblin gear to fight crime instead of being a Ben 10 character.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33084: Jan 26th 2024 at 7:32:50 PM

Isn’t she a Dial H for Hero character?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33085: Jan 26th 2024 at 7:33:54 PM

I was getting more at her sudden magic powers making her like Gwen. From Ben 10, not the dead one.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33086: Jan 26th 2024 at 9:10:42 PM

I mean, if you're talking about those versions of Gwen who got the Omnitrix instead of Ben, then yes.

But you really should have stated she was like Ben straight up, since he's the one who's usually changing forms.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33087: Jan 27th 2024 at 4:29:32 AM

So, what? 616!Gwen will come back as as a sorceress that sasses MJ?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33088: Jan 27th 2024 at 7:04:14 PM

[up]

Care to explain that? Why would it mean that?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33089: Jan 28th 2024 at 1:05:57 PM

Gwen Stacy in a role like Gwen Tennyson in the original Ben 10, i.e. gets magic and gets in stupid arguments with the transforming hero/ine.

I was just kidding, anyway.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 28th 2024 at 6:06:18 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#33090: Jan 28th 2024 at 6:16:48 PM

Spider-Boy preview dropped.

I enjoy Slott writing Bailey as a sort of preteen Ditko-era Peter. Bailey understands the weight of responsibility and will always choose to do the right thing, but man does it suck sometimes and he's indignant about not being given what he thinks is his just reward. Heroism Won't Pay the Bills, but it sucks even more when you're homeless and penniless.

Plus, that jab at superheroes being expected to work for free all the time. I'm inclined to agree with Bailey that being saved from having to visit the hospital is more than worth twenty bucks. I've had strangers give me five bucks for lifting stuff into the trunk of their car for them.

Edited by reppuzan on Jan 28th 2024 at 6:21:08 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33091: Jan 28th 2024 at 8:19:44 PM

Bailey would love being in the MHA verse. Heroes get paid there and are heroic.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33092: Jan 28th 2024 at 8:27:11 PM

The Avengers off and on get paid. Most heroes either make that their job or have some other source of income. Bailey is a kid that got erased from time, so he doesn't even have a home to go back to, so he needs to start thinking about money and his next meal or other stuff like that.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 28th 2024 at 1:31:45 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33093: Jan 28th 2024 at 8:32:57 PM

I guess Peter can’t hook him up with Oscorp because?????

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#33094: Jan 28th 2024 at 8:33:39 PM

[up]

He's 10. And has no records proving he ever existed. Bailey even points out that he's too young to legally work.

Also, I wouldn't let children within three square miles of Norman Osborn.

Edited by reppuzan on Jan 28th 2024 at 8:34:06 AM

DeltaCube91 from Elm Street Since: Jan, 2024
#33095: Jan 29th 2024 at 7:27:23 AM

[up] x5 Hinestky, I feel Peter should be at least well off from being Spider-Man, like you’re telling me no small business wants to pay him to be their mascot? You’re telling me no one would pay him for an interview? Yeah I don’t think he should sell out, but it’s so annoying seeeing the ten millionth Spider-Man story where he’s down on his luck and about to be evicted, and he makes a joke about “the ol’ Parker luck”

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33096: Jan 29th 2024 at 8:23:43 AM

Peter gets screwed over a lot, even by himself. So, any attempt at making some stable income will likely crash and burn since someone wants to keep him looking like a sad loser.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 29th 2024 at 1:24:52 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33097: Jan 29th 2024 at 8:29:18 AM

Sometimes I like to think that Peter uses Spider-Man as a way to escape from his adult responsibilities.

At least post OMD fraud Spider-Man. Like I said, that story basically killed 616 Spider-Man for me.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33098: Jan 29th 2024 at 8:31:09 AM

Older comics tended to have Peter try to profit off Spider-Man stuff and other things, only to fail because of his own flaws, mistakes, and unwillingness to let his two lives overlap (e.g., the famous scene from an early issue where he gets a check only to realize that he can't cash it without exposing his secret identity) on top of bad luck. Post-OMD, that's been flanderized into him being an impotent moron who can't hold down a job for more than year with absolutely zero explanation or excuse as to why. A big part of why Post-OMD Peter has become so unbearable is because the writers want him to be a put-upon guy who can't get ahead so they can live through him vicariously but don't want him to have the flaws that made him a put-upon loser for the same reason.

On the subject of Bailey, it just dawned on me how extraordinarily fucked up it is that Marvel is apparently so obsessed with Peter not having kids that they've made a situation where Peter is just leaving a homeless, orphaned ten year old off on his own when he could very easily take him in and raise him. How heroic.

Edited by immortaleditor on Jan 29th 2024 at 8:32:36 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33099: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:19:50 AM

No, we know why he's lost most of his jobs.

He quit being a paparazzi because he realized it was a scummy thing to do, he got fired from working for the mayor after faking a photo, he left horizon to start Parker Industries, he bankrupted Parker Industries to beat HYDRA, he got fired from his science editor job at the Bugle because Otto plagiarized his own work, and he's been working for Norman ever since.

And whatever place Peter ends up working at is usually the main setting for the book at the time.

Edited by Joshbones on Jan 29th 2024 at 9:27:17 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#33100: Jan 29th 2024 at 9:25:55 AM

The mayor thing has a good explanation or was Peter being a complete idiot?

Wake me up at your own risk.

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