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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#33001: Jan 15th 2024 at 8:03:11 AM

Maybe he wouldn't have had such a hard time if he didn't wear such a gaudy costume.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33002: Jan 15th 2024 at 8:04:43 AM

[up]*user was blown up by a pumpkin bomb for this post*

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33003: Jan 15th 2024 at 8:05:23 AM

Yeah! THAT MAN PURSE IS ROCKING![lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 16th 2024 at 12:05:31 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#33004: Jan 15th 2024 at 9:25:34 AM

I remember there was an early issue where Norman and very forgotten villain Crime Master know each other's secret identities and get into a gang war over it which ends with Crime Master getting shot right as he's gonna reveal Norman's identities. You don't see that kinda stuff anymore.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33005: Jan 15th 2024 at 11:39:32 PM

probably because everyone who tries it gets shot

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33006: Jan 16th 2024 at 12:21:45 AM

Fun fact, but the untold tales of Spider-Man revealed the Crime Master thought Jameson was the Goblin since Norman tricked him, but then the Gwen Stacy series revealed the Crime Master knew he was Norman all along or something.

I love comics.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33007: Jan 16th 2024 at 2:03:17 AM

Just saw a Youtube interview with Phillip Kennedy Johnson, currently writing Incredible Hulk, a fan asked him if he'd do Spider-Man. He's interested, but right now the current direction of the books don't appeal to him.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33008: Jan 16th 2024 at 5:40:58 AM

I don't know how the rest of Gang War is going, but I'm enjoying Bailey's involvement in Spider-Man Unlimited.

Betting on some version of Vermin as the hidden villain. Which would be interesting. They've had some Badass Decay but they were portrayed as utterly terrifying in some classic stories.

Putting Bailey up against them would be interesting.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33009: Jan 16th 2024 at 7:26:10 AM

[up][up]That's totally unsurprising. Multiple writers now have said pretty much the same thing. With how Spider-Editorial manages things, it's no wonder a lot of writers don't want to work on the book.

[up]Vermin's one of my favorite underrated Spidey villains. And yeah, I hope writers get back to portraying him as utterly nightmarish like he was back in the day. That scene where his dad awakes in the middle of the night to find Vermin in bed with him with a huge rictus grin is seared into my brain.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33010: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:23:20 AM

Just saw a Youtube interview with Phillip Kennedy Johnson, currently writing Incredible Hulk, a fan asked him if he'd do Spider-Man. He's interested, but right now the current direction of the books don't appeal to him.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! surprised

You gotta love it when comic book writers dunk on the Spider-Office! evil grin

That's totally unsurprising. Multiple writers now have said pretty much the same thing. With how Spider-Editorial manages things, it's no wonder a lot of writers don't want to work on the book.

Just piling on the evidence that the Spider-Editorial needs a clean sweep already.

Speaking of Gang War and managing things, someone found out that the Jackpot one-shot credits two artists (Joey Vazquez and Eric Gapstur) rather than just one like the solicit. If the original plan was to give Jackpot a miniseries instead of a one-shot, but outrage made go "NOPE!", then they might have gotten Gapstur to make it more "one-shot-y" and less "miniseries-that-got-aborted-abruptly".

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33011: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:25:44 AM

This is like in the Clone Saga when marvel had trouble getting people to stay with the book because they either didn’t want to deal with the mess or wanted to be writing Peter Parker

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33012: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:32:23 AM

When Paul is still around, and the writers are still actively making Peter hang out with him and MJ, you know that someone at editorial is really stubborn.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33013: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:32:49 AM

I feel like this is at least the third or fourth writer who's said they want to take on Spidey but have been scared off by either the editors or the fans.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33014: Jan 16th 2024 at 2:12:41 PM

As long as the current editorial is in place...there's little reason to even want to write ASM. All you can do is write the same repetitive "he's young,he's single,he can't afford to keep his lights on" stories again and again.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33015: Jan 16th 2024 at 2:19:51 PM

Bluntly, it's work for hire. You don't own any of it, royalties are reportedly not that significant, and anything new you add to the mythos is unlikely to financially reward you — even if it becomes the core of a new MCU film or something.

So if it's not going to boost your reputation and you're not going to get to write the Spider-Man stories you want to write, why take that particular job?

Because, on the other hand, if you're the sort of writer Marvel trusts with Spider-Man, you almost certainly have other opportunities.

Probably including other opportunities at Marvel which give you more creative freedom and will be better for your reputation.

Maybe do a Spider-Man limited series, or something like Ultimate, Hickman-style, where you do get the creative freedom?

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 16th 2024 at 10:20:32 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33016: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:17:23 PM

Some of the pages for the Jackpot one-shot leaked and oh my goodness, it is so underwhelming.

Paul clamped a power limiter on the Jackpot bracelet, so while it keeps her from going all Captain Universe with her powers, it also keeps her from dying. Plus, Peter knows MJ is Jackpot, which is good because I thought they'd do some "oh who is this lady that seems to resemble MJ?" BS. And the three skulls thing? Some early readers actually revealed what they mean and you have three guesses as to what. First two guesses don't count.

This screams "let's get this the f*ck over with" so bad.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 16th 2024 at 11:13:31 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33017: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:18:31 PM

Every day, my theory that Norman and MJ have swapped minds becomes increasingly valid. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#33018: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:29:27 PM

It's genuinely hilarious how overshadowed and on fumes the main book has become now that Ultimate Spider-Man is started up.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#33019: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:31:59 PM

I guess they could try more shock value and just have Paul become Spider-Man to get some rage buys.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#33020: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:13:28 PM

I'm not even sure rage buying would work now. Speaking for myself...I'm just numb to anything that goes on in ASM anymore. It's just bad fanfiction for Spider editorial.

Freshwater Since: Apr, 2023
#33021: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:40:03 PM

I've seen the joke about Norman and M.J. swapping minds a couple times and it's pretty funny. But, it's also got me curious. Has there been a good (or any) M.J. body swap story lines? I know Peter has done a couple of different body swap stories of varying quality with Dr. Octopus, Wolverine, and Kamala Khan. Has M.J. had any freaky Friday stories?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33022: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:41:17 PM

Wolverine was only in the Ultimate Universe comics and the Ultimate Spiderman tv show.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33023: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:41:56 PM

She was possessed by Red Sonja once but that's a different sort of thing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#33024: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:51:47 PM

Oh hey. That's cool.

Everybody loves Red Sonja.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#33025: Jan 16th 2024 at 10:16:42 PM

Jackpot#1

I find it pretty sad that MJ gets a rare female voice writing her at Marvel and in this instance, Celeste Bronfman is no Leah Williams. She makes MJ incredibly 'mid' and uninteresting in her superhero guise. The book reads like something for little kids. There is still no chemistry or a spark of romance anywhere between Paul and MJ. At one point Paul gets concerned for MJ's power settings and freaks out when a whole bridge gets dropped on her, but other than that, there's no hint that he's unsupportive of her or there is friction like some advance leaks (that were still mostly right) were trying to imply.

Peter and MJ do briefly interact, but it's more like work colleagues. Peter calls MJ by her name in public and Jen jokes MJ should sue him for forgetting about her secret identity, MJ says she'll 'see Peter around' as he wants to recruit her for the final battle and walks off to help others in need as the gang war intensifies

Edited by Zarius on Jan 16th 2024 at 11:58:42 AM


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