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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#32801: Dec 28th 2023 at 3:14:57 PM

Paul: Spider-Man is a mutant! Get him, Sentine—-

(Sentinel steps on Paul)

Stark Sentinel: I APPEAR TO HAVE STEPPED ON AN ANNOYING HUMAN.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32802: Dec 28th 2023 at 6:48:44 PM

....

Right. Nobody's gonna stop demanding Paul die, so I'm just bowing out.

Like, I can't even blame people for being this spiteful.

Just remember one thing.

If they do end up doing exactly to Paul what you all keep saying they should do (kill him in the most hateful way possible), I'm sure they'll take exactly the wrong lesson from it.

Rest assured that will happen and we'll all probably regret not just letting them quietly retire him.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32803: Dec 28th 2023 at 6:59:54 PM

there is no bad outcome from turning paul into chunky salsa

no monkey's paw to curl

just dancing in the streets

ThunderboltZekesAlt Bringer of Chaos from Theosoir, Tantal Since: Nov, 2022
Bringer of Chaos
#32804: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:02:17 PM

Until the writers decide to chunky salsa a character you like but they don't that is.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32805: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:07:17 PM

They already do that??

Are we pretending killing off Paul would somehow be a new move for them? Why does this asshole need special protection when Kamala was just killed off on a whim?

ThunderboltZekesAlt Bringer of Chaos from Theosoir, Tantal Since: Nov, 2022
Bringer of Chaos
#32806: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:14:40 PM

I'm not saying he does, I'm saying he needs to be gotten rid of with maturity and not stuff I'd expect to see in the depths of a fanfiction site.

The easiest way is to just have him go "fuck y'all, i'm out" and have him fuck off and forgotten about. Way more mature than making snuff.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32807: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:23:32 PM

I really don't see why that's needed

Just kill the fucker and be done with it. Simple!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32808: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:25:53 PM

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Yeah.

[up][up][up]

Fair point.

[up][up]

This.

Though, I'm big enough to admit that he shouldn't be the one saying fuck y'all I'm out. I'm willing to allow everyone else to tell him get the fuck out.

But that's it. He just goes. No wasting time thinking of how to kill him or anything. He's just gone, and we move on.

Like, as I said, there's be some Cartharsis over it, but...then what? I just think we need to be a bit better than that.

And again, I know these guys will take the wrong lesson from it. I know they will. Because that's what they do.

Edit: [up] I doubt it'd be that simple. I know it'd come back to bite all of us in a meta way somehow.

Plus....I don't think he's worth killing. Why waste time murdering this character that no one cares from. Those five seconds could be spent...I don't know doing anything else more worthwhile that actually adds to things.

But I'm already spending more time defending this guy I don't care about enough to even want dead than I care for, so I'm ending it here.

Just remember, we're better than worthless Take That, Scrappy! attitudes. It weakens us.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 28th 2023 at 7:28:55 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#32809: Dec 28th 2023 at 7:32:34 PM

Realistically, what will happen is that MJ and Paul will break up by the end of Wells' run, and the next writer just won't bother using him. Wells will have MJ and Paul break up to clear the board for the next writer to do whatever they want with MJ. And the next writer will just ignore Paul, in favour of their own preferred supporting characters.

That's the typical way for things to be handled.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32810: Dec 28th 2023 at 8:06:52 PM

Mettle is still dead sad

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32811: Dec 28th 2023 at 8:09:10 PM

Mettle is kinda Schroedinger's Franken-teen now; that recent arc about Arcade appears to have moved Avengers Arena to an AU. At the very least, that whole gross thing about there being a worldwide livestream of Murderworld was thrown out.

Mettle - and Juston Seyfert, don't forget him! - are thus in a sort of Limbo state, and I don't believe it's been confirmed either way if they're still dead? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Dec 28th 2023 at 10:10:20 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32812: Dec 28th 2023 at 8:16:05 PM

I think people overestimate how much the events of the Wells run will matter in the long run.

If Randy and Janice end up tying the knot, that'll probably be the thing with the biggest staying power going forward.

I could see us eventually getting a Gold Goblin sequel too in the same way we get Superior follow-ups every few years.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32813: Dec 28th 2023 at 8:17:04 PM

Gold Goblin was 5 issues though while Superior got a whole ongoing back in the day.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32814: Dec 28th 2023 at 8:49:00 PM

[up][up]At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if one random comic just has everyone who died in Avengers Arena just show up sitting around a table and talking about how they never died and how weird it is people think they're dead. As you said, Arena is barely a step above Canon Discontinuity at this point.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#32815: Dec 28th 2023 at 9:18:40 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'm pretty sure the events of Arena did get referenced in other books. So it's still canon, and Mettle and Justin are still dead.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32816: Dec 28th 2023 at 9:20:16 PM

The Murderworld miniseries also has Arcade still having a huge audience for his murder streams and the heroes can’t do anything to stop him and mostly don’t try

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32818: Dec 28th 2023 at 10:37:42 PM

He's just TOO good at hiding his tracks darn

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32819: Dec 28th 2023 at 10:37:45 PM

Mettle is kinda Schroedinger's Franken-teen now; that recent arc about Arcade appears to have moved Avengers Arena to an AU.

If you mean Zub's series of Murderworld stories that focused on regular civilians, Avengers Arena was referenced in that.

Saying that Avengers Arena was moved to an AU is just false.

[up]

Black Widow was tracking him down, but she only arrived after all the civilians were dead and Arcade had left.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 28th 2023 at 2:40:02 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32820: Dec 28th 2023 at 10:44:45 PM

And she's the only one that's bothering and only because Arcade fucked with her specifically.

She asked Krakoa for help but they washed their hands of it because of political concerns.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32821: Dec 28th 2023 at 11:00:11 PM

Man, remember when Arcade was famous for not actually being able to kill anyone?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Kurus576 Since: Aug, 2015
#32822: Dec 28th 2023 at 11:00:20 PM

IMO, you can’t just write out Paul like that. MJ choose him over Peter and thier relationship survived the death of the kids. This thing needs a big ass retcon to fix everything, and Paul should die in the most painful and humiliating way possible.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#32823: Dec 29th 2023 at 12:38:38 AM

[up] No. You actually can just write him out by having him and MJ break up. It's actually pretty easy to do. Even better, it doesn't require any sort of stupid and awful retcon, or needless pettiness from the creators, or anything like that. You can have them just break up, and then everyone can move the fuck on from it.

I don't even read Spider-Man, and the hate and whining I see over Paul makes me like him more our of pure contrary spite. Because there is absolutely no way that he is deserving of the level of hate he gets here. So he's a shitty character, written poorly, in a badly-written story? Well, that sucks, I hope the comic improves, and I hope Paul gets written out.

But fucking hell, with the rhetoric on here, you'd think the character had banged everyone's girlfriends right in front of them. It's ludicrous.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32824: Dec 29th 2023 at 12:43:09 AM

[up][up][up] He learned that the secret was killing a bunch of civilians and also third stringer heroes

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 29th 2023 at 3:43:17 PM

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#32825: Dec 29th 2023 at 1:16:29 AM

[up][up] Nah nah nah, Saiga's got the right of it.

Kill him off. Writers are getting way too comfortable inserting cuckolding into their stories lately, and it's time we made an example of the characters being inserted for that purpose.


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