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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32726: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:17:19 AM

So the only Spider-Man tease in Timeless this week is the return of the Goblin, which we already know about from FCBD and the Web of Spider-Man March primer

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32727: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:20:20 AM

You can't keep a good villain down.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32728: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:49:48 AM

Lowe and Wells beating the sins back into Norman: THE STATUS QUO MUST BE MAINTAINED!!!!!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32729: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:50:46 AM

No iconic villain can be redeemed forever

But the sins stuff is fucking stupid

So altogether a mixed bag

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32730: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:53:35 AM

Norman getting shot by the gun that turns you good and becoming a good guy is a terrible premise.

If Gold Goblin was started in any other way, I would like it way more.

As it stands, I don't like the idea of morality working like the episode of Fairly Odd Parents with the evil bug.

Edited by Joshbones on Dec 24th 2023 at 7:54:14 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32731: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:54:30 AM

Yeah, Gold Goblin was unironically good.

Weirdly, the Spider who Gobbles also implies the sins are also a Literal Split Personality and contain the Green Goblin.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 24th 2023 at 11:54:37 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32732: Dec 24th 2023 at 7:57:39 AM

[up]I frankly think nobody really understands how the Goblin stuff is supposed to work at this point.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32733: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:00:13 AM

Yeah and it still misses the point of Norman being a bad man made worse. Both sides of Norman are evil.

Like this feels like an attempt at aping the Now Way Home version of Green Goblin. There's already that bit about how Norman was like a father to Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32734: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:11:11 AM

Peter: -math lady confused- “Since when?”

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32735: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:13:50 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/w907bio69qjb1.jpg

Big time father and son energy here.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32736: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:16:53 AM

I always hate attempts to backport movie shit into the comics. It's so bad. What works for one continuity doesn't always work for others. The Raimi movies pulled off the whole "I wish Peter were my son" dynamic because that version of the characters were built and written from the start with that in mind. But comics Peter and Norman never were like that and barely knew each other before Peter learns Norman is Goblin, so trying to pretend like they were "like father and son" is just dumb and runs into all sorts of problems with characterization.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32737: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:19:26 AM

I genuinely think Wells doesn't know much about the comic continuity so he mixes up comic and movie stuff.

No wonder his MJ is so bad, she's based on the worst version of the character. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32739: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:24:02 AM

I mean, at least that version of MJ had some weirdly tender moments as a ghost IIRC.

Raimi MJ is just kind of awful.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32740: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:25:55 AM

[up][up][up]That honestly would explain a lot. And it's an annoyingly recurring problem with some writers, even good ones sometimes. Like how with Johnathan Hickman, you can very easily tell that while he's got encyclopedic knowledge of X-Men, his knowledge of Avengers seems to mostly start and stop at the first Avengers movie.

I'm not saying every writer has to be an Al Ewing-level continuity scholar who seems to know everything that's ever happened in Marvel, but doing the bare minimum research on the actual series/continuity you're coming into and not just writing based on your half-remembered watching of a movie adaption of it in the early 2000s or earlier isn't a big ask.

[up][up]Reign is such a trip. Like half cool ideas and concepts, half the most bizarre "what were you thinking?" nonsense.

Though in total fairness, the comic doesn't actually say Peter killed MJ with radioactive semen. Rather it says that he was radioactive in general and it was prolonged exposure to him on a level that nobody else experienced that led to her getting sick.

Edited by immortaleditor on Dec 24th 2023 at 9:28:56 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32741: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:29:53 AM

Reign would work as a PARODY of Spider-Man being in a dark future where he has to come out of retirement.

But no, they really wanted to ape Dark Knight Returns years late.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 25th 2023 at 1:34:12 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#32742: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:32:01 AM

Reign is the lame future Spider-Man story. Dark Reign was that time Norman basically took over because Civil War and Secret Invasion had the heroes being dumb for a long time.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32743: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:34:38 AM

Yeah, got my names mixed up.[lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32744: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:37:27 AM

I think "Spider-Man's Dark Knight Returns" is actually a decent concept, but the comic as is aped DKR far too closely instead of designing a Bad Future and general story that really suited Spider-Man. So it basically ended up feeling like a Batman comic with the Batman elements awkwardly edited out and replaced with Spider-Man elements. There are some hints of the good concept there - like the great sequence at the end where Spidey fights through his old rogues while cracking quips and such like usual except this time he's brutally killing his way through them without hesitation - but on the whole, it's kind of a mess.

Edited by immortaleditor on Dec 24th 2023 at 9:38:26 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32745: Dec 24th 2023 at 9:41:03 AM

I feel like Renew Your Vows is a pretty good take on a dark future where Spider-Man is retired but has to come back and save the day, idea.

It feels more suited for Spider-Man since he's a family man has to struggle with what responsibility means exactly, to the people or to his family? While also trying to keep his family safe while there's an evil overlord hunting down super powered people.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32746: Dec 24th 2023 at 11:47:57 AM

I don't think that one line of dialogue was them trying to import the movies into the comics.

We know what them trying to import the raimi movies into the comics is like. It involves Spidey going into a weird ritual so he can get organic webs.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32747: Dec 24th 2023 at 2:53:09 PM

Honestly I like that because at least it isn't them pretending things have always been like the movies

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#32748: Dec 24th 2023 at 3:49:48 PM

Speaking of Marvel and DC stealing ideas from one another, I'm surprised they never tried to do their own version of "the last Spider-Man story". You can call it "Whatever Happened to the Spectacular Spider-Man?" or "Whatever Happened to the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man?"

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#32749: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:22:22 PM

[up]Or Whatever Happened To The Arach-Knight if you really want to be snarky.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 24th 2023 at 5:23:39 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32750: Dec 24th 2023 at 8:26:02 PM

Hah

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