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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32626: Dec 19th 2023 at 1:29:49 PM

spider-gwen is moving to 616 for good

Really disappointing, especially after Melissa Flores seemed interested in exploring Earth-65 in Spider-Gwen :Smash and in the upcoming Giant-Size Spider-Gwen.

I was hoping that meant Flores would get a shot at a Spider-Gwen ongoing, but instead they give it to Stephanie Phillips who moves her to the 616.

Shoobedobah Anon Zilla from Guess Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#32627: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:15:41 PM

Is it bad I'm outright expecting Earth-65 to be destroyed just for them to really hammer home that Gwen can't return?

This decision sucks btw.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32628: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:22:30 PM

I suspect editorial wanted to move her, rather than this being entirely writer-driven. We'll see.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32629: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:27:12 PM

I just had a terrible thought: what if they want to ship 616-Peter and 65-Gwen?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32630: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:32:41 PM

[up][up] This is editorial driven.

They clearly have no ideas for the character other than synergizing with the movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32631: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:43:32 PM

Poor Spider-Gwen. She's just going to be another generic "Spider" without her own Earth to set her apart...

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32632: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:49:47 PM

…. I guess she can be the next in line to dunk on Peter for fucking up his life.

Peter is working for Norman for one.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32633: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:56:11 PM

[up]

I wish they'd let Peter stop screwing up.

As for Spider-Gwen....listen, if you want to use Gwen to get in Peter and MJ's way, then just bring back classic Gwen.

....no wait. I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna do that. They've had a lot of chances and they've never taken it.

This is clearly just because Spider-Gwen is popular and they're once again trying to bank on it.

Unfortunately, her distance from 616 is part of her popularity. That's something they seem to fail to understand.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32634: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:56:54 PM

I mean they brought back Classic Gwen for the clone conspiracy.

Then killed her off.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32635: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:57:57 PM

I suspect editorial wanted to move her, rather than this being entirely writer-driven. We'll see.

That is entirely possible

I just had a terrible thought: what if they want to ship 616-Peter and 65-Gwen?

Do remember that Spider-Gwen is closer to Miles age than Peter's, so i find that unlikely.

If anything, people should be worried they are doing this to get Miles and Gwen together.

[up]

Wasn't that just a clone with her memories?

Edited by Cortez on Dec 19th 2023 at 8:00:16 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32636: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:59:57 PM

[up][up]True, but she did get a bit of characterization.

The revelation that she was conscious, found out Peter was Spider-Man and died cursing him was....kinda angsty, but I like that the two got to reconcile, and she came to terms.

And even though she died again, she got to go out on her own terms this time.

For Classic Gwen, that's probably the best anyone who might be a fan of her could ask for, and maybe good enough for those who aren't fans, but have no beef with her.

I mean, she's been completely eclipsed by MJ, Felicia, and another version of herself, so she's lucky she got that much.

Edit: [up] Yeah, as I said in my other post, if they were going to do something like that, they'd have done it years ago.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 19th 2023 at 4:01:21 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32637: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:01:04 PM

[up][up] Well the story kept acting like she was the actual Gwen, so who knows?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32638: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:02:49 PM

Gwen is a character whose just completely strangled by her own popularity.

Cause honestly speaking she's not that interesting as a character on her own. As the star of her own setting she's fine, but constantly trying to bring her to 616 reduces her to another spider-person who exists purely because of inertia.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32639: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:03:02 PM

[up][up]I think that while Peter felt they were clones in the long run, they did have all the memories of the original, and had the choice to see themselves as the classic versions or not.

Or they would have if they hadn't all died.

Edit: It seems that no matter the version, Gwen is always having issues. Either she can't get popularity, or she can only get it when disassociated from Peter.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 19th 2023 at 4:04:11 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32640: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:03:59 PM

I mean, shit, we have a Black Widow clone running around, and everyone acts like she's actual Black Widow.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32641: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:15:00 PM

As the star of her own setting she's fine, but constantly trying to bring her to 616 reduces her to another spider-person who exists purely because of inertia.

Which is why i was enjoying Spider-Gwen: Smash. It was focusing on Gwen in Earth-65 and introducing new earth-65 versions of marvel characters.

[up]

It bugs me how everyone treats her like the original.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 19th 2023 at 8:15:38 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32642: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:16:29 PM

Clones is just one of the ways that comic book snapback happens so clones have to be real people EXCEPT when clone angst is the point.

Tony Stark is a clone of himself by this point. So is Rhodey.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32643: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:16:36 PM

I wouldn't call this movie synergy, because Across the Spider-Verse had even more Earth-65 screentime than the first movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32644: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:17:29 PM

[up][up][up] Hell the book still treats her like the original since the synopsis says she will also "deal with the tragic past of her 616-self"

Despite the fact she's a different person from 616 Gwen

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 19th 2023 at 4:17:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32645: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:17:39 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, we talking all those mental back ups that Tony made?

Technically Civil War Tony died and was replaced by a version of himself before Civil War happened.

[up] Calling it now, Norman will be involved.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 19th 2023 at 8:18:03 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32646: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:18:53 PM

[up][up]That's so ridiculous. Like, why would Spider-Gwen care that much about how her 616 self died? It's an entirely different person.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32647: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:21:36 PM

Every single X character is technically a clone.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32648: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:25:05 PM

That's so ridiculous. Like, why would Spider-Gwen care that much about how her 616 self died? It's an entirely different person.

Especially since the original Spider-Gwen already had her meeting Earth-617 Gwen, who was like 616 Gwen, and Spidey-Gwen accepted that they are different people.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#32649: Dec 19th 2023 at 4:59:20 PM

I feel like moving away from the art and colour style of the original Spider-Gwen series has harmed the character. Rodriguez and Renzi did great work and gave the book a unique aesthetic that set it apart and got attention. Obviously, there was also the cool factor of seeing different takes on classic Marvel characters, like Matt Murdock as the Kingpin, but comics is a visual medium, so one should never underestimate just how valuable the art can be. Rodriguez and Renzi really defined the character, at least as much as Latour did.

Random side note, I just recently bought a Spider-Gwen hoodie. Her costume is an absolutely fire design, and is probably a good 80% of why she became popular in the first place.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#32650: Dec 19th 2023 at 5:15:20 PM

Poor Gwen original is still a distant memory compred to Spider Gwen.

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