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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32601: Dec 16th 2023 at 6:51:40 PM

I always do love that Joker is consistently written as not liking being laughed at even though his whole gimmick is ostensibly being a comedian. There's a great scene in one comic where he tries to attack Metropolis only to get really mad when Superman actually chuckles at his bad puns and doesn't try to put on a stoic front like Batman does.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32602: Dec 16th 2023 at 6:53:38 PM

Yeah a villain like the Joker needs to have those kind of tailor made weaknesses since it's part of being a well rounded character.

And why I think Spider-Man would just utterly destroy Joker more than anything Batman has ever done.

Now I'm wondering how Bruce would deal with Norman. Green Goblin is basically if the Joker also had access to super powers and Batman esque gadgets while also have the resources of Lex Luthor.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32604: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:01:57 PM

Probably.

Unless he went in with a really good plan, or just cheated like hell.

And even then, if Norman got him into melee, it'd get ugly. This is a guy who regularly trades fists with someone capable of lifting 10 tons, so you know Norman dishes it out pretty well himself.

Though I admit, I'd like to see a writer put together a story where Bruce wins. Like, that's the job of the writer isn't it?

Make a story believable.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32605: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:04:24 PM

I think that classic "control all the gangs in new york" Norman would be someone Batman could take down. That guy got into feuds with nobodies like Crime Master and cared if his identity was discovered.

Modern, Skrull Queen killing Norman? That guy could tussle with the Avengers and not sweat, Batman couldn't do better than Tony could.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32606: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:06:18 PM

I mean in a melee Batman just instantly dies lmao

A kitten against a dinosaur and I'm probably understating it

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32607: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:08:33 PM

Amusingly, Doctor Octopus is someone who is more in Batman's wheelhouse.

Regular person with amazing tech but can still go down in a couple of punches. Like Mr. Freeze or Scarecrow.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32608: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:10:19 PM

Yeah we know that.

I'm sure Bruce knows it too. I'd expect he'd badly lose a first encounter, and only get saved by narrative convenience.

He'd then have to plan around Norman's strength for the next encounter, while also dealing with the fact that he's as well armed (or maybe better) as Bruce himself is.

Like I said, I'd be curious to see how someone would legitimately write him winning.

Maybe he just accepts this one is above his pay grade and calls in the big blue boy scout to flatten Norman in seconds?

Maybe he just jumps in the bat plane and dog fights him?

Or maybe I'm wrong and he does get his ribcage caved in on the first encounter, and the rest of the Bat-family now has to avenge him.

Edit: [up] You still gotta get past those arms though.

I recall a comic where Daredevil fought Ock, and while he was managing to not get any metal arms to the face, it made me realize that it's dangerous to fight Ock if you can't take a hit from said arms. It's essentially a battle between two glass cannons.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 16th 2023 at 7:12:31 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32609: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:11:33 PM

Well don't forget that Batman has cool toys of his own, Batman could just call in the bat plane/jet and just shoot Green Goblin out of the sky with rubber bullets.

Plus don't forget he's got a tank of a Batmobile. Green Goblin has all sorts of gadgets like bombs to keep up a fight, but he's going to have an uphill battle against the bat jet.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Dec 16th 2023 at 11:12:22 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32610: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:13:34 PM

Actually, Norman's glider might make him more agile than the Bat-Jet, what with the small size and all, but again, it'd be a hell of a fight.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#32611: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:49:49 PM

Pretty sure the Batplane firing a spray of rubber bullets or rubber heat-seeking missiles from miles away would override Norman's agility. You can only dodge so many bullets for so long. Though getting shot out of the sky would be that narrative tool needed to deprive Norman of his glider, putting him on roughly even terms with Batman.

Edited by Spirit on Dec 16th 2023 at 10:50:24 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32612: Dec 16th 2023 at 7:53:29 PM

TIL of both Marvel Universe Live, which features Spidey pretty heavily, and Spider Man Live, which predates Turn off the Dark and acts as an abridged telling of his history.

He also had at least two rock operas, Spider Man From Beyond The Grave and Spider Man Rock Reflections Of A Superhero.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Dec 16th 2023 at 10:56:53 AM

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reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#32613: Dec 18th 2023 at 3:09:54 PM

Spider-Boy preview dropped.

It's interesting to get more inside Bailey's head. For all of his quipping and the fun he seems to have in-costume, resents the feeling of responsibility being Spider-Boy gives him. And like Peter, he has a lot of emotional baggage even without an Uncle Ben moment.

And unlike Peter, Bailey's Spider-Sense obligates him to intervene lest he never get rid of the psychic ringing in his head.

Edited by reppuzan on Dec 18th 2023 at 3:12:48 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32614: Dec 19th 2023 at 12:57:28 AM

Catching up on the Renew Your Vows instalment from last week, I loved that it was all about MJ and peering into her head, I love that her fashion store is called "Jackpot" and MJ says she'll never tire of being a spider-hero. There's even a cheeky cameo from Optimus Prime when MJ hitches a ride on a truck that looks exactly like his vehicle mode

We also learn the mysterious tech-thief that resembles Annie may indeed Hail from an alternate universe where MJ died, possibly because the regent tech in her suit failed her

Edited by Zarius on Dec 19th 2023 at 12:58:34 PM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32615: Dec 19th 2023 at 3:33:33 AM

This week's issue revealed the thief's identity: It's not an AU Annie, or even a girl, it's a GUY

Edited by Zarius on Dec 19th 2023 at 3:33:42 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32617: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:07:33 AM

Oh my fucking God again with this.:/

Oh well it fail like it did before.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32618: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:11:44 AM

And it's ANOTHER sodding "mystery box" story.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32619: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:24:40 AM

I suspected they had no ideas for Spider-Gwen after all the clone shit and this just makes me more sure

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32620: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:34:09 AM

They'll force the spider-family on us no matter how much we kick and scream

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 19th 2023 at 10:34:17 AM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32621: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:34:48 AM

That's an interesting decision after the current mini focusing on Earth-65.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32622: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:41:10 AM

What will Peter think, I wonder.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32623: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:42:20 AM

God that's fucking rancid. Like genuinely one of those ideas that can't possibly work out in the long term.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32624: Dec 19th 2023 at 10:47:01 AM

“ Kicking off with Gwen trapped in the 616 by mysterious otherworldly forces, the young hero’s fresh status quo will open the door to exciting new storytelling opportunities as she struggles to adjust in a world that's not her own, and is forced to confront the tragic legacy of 616’s own Gwen.”

New? They’ve literally done all of this before

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32625: Dec 19th 2023 at 12:52:14 PM

It only worked for Miles because they brought over every single character he interacted with.

They can't really do it for any character Gwen talked to aside from like the Bodega bandit.


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