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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32501: Dec 5th 2023 at 5:08:15 PM

In regards to Spidey getting a new archenemy, I really think he could do with a new one. I've made my feeling that Green Goblin has long overstayed his welcome clear, Venom is a good guy now, and Doc Ock has likewise gotten to the point where he's kinda spent and mostly seems to still be around because he's Slott's favorite. Kindred could've been the new archenemy, but they were killed at the end of Spencer's run and once their supposed identity was revealed, it became clear they weren't designed to be a long-term villain let alone an arch. Peter needs a new deeply personal enemy.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32502: Dec 5th 2023 at 5:19:45 PM

Even Jameson is Peter's best friend now.

Personally, when it comes to Peter needing an arch-enemy, I'm just counting the hours till Green Goblin comes back and becomes Peter's most toxic ex.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32503: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:32:44 AM

Letters pages in today's ASM were the usual round of fart-sniffing from Lowe. He says there's more to tell with Paul and that fans are still 'misreading' him and he finds it funny. Another letter asked if OMD will be undone, Nick says they've moved on, but doesn't rule it out.

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#32504: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:38:07 AM

The most recent recurring villain who's really worked for me as a proper, long-term rogues gallery member was Mister Negative. And I'm not sure I see him as an archnemesis.

Who else do we have who's relatively recent, suitably dangerous and might become an archnemesis over time?

(No. Not Paul.)

For that matter, what are the factors that make a great archnemesis for Peter?

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 6th 2023 at 5:38:49 PM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32505: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:50:01 AM

[up] A mix of personal enmity and physical threat. Some villains lean more to one or the other, but others are both.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32506: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:54:45 AM

[up][up]Honestly, I don't think any of Peter's current/newer rogues is good archenemy material. He either needs a brand new one or an established villain needs to get a total revamp to suit the role.

As for what makes a good archenemy for Spider-Man... I would say the big things are simply that the arch has to be more dangerous than an average villain, have an intense personal connection to Peter, and significant successes against him. Those are the things Otto, Norman, and Venom all had in common.

Edited by immortaleditor on Dec 6th 2023 at 9:55:01 AM

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#32507: Dec 6th 2023 at 10:47:47 AM

Speaking of a personal villain to Spiderman did we ever learn The Burglar's name?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32508: Dec 6th 2023 at 10:56:29 AM

I don’t recall his first name, but his last was apparently Caradine.

I know this because he had a daughter named Jessica Caradine who popped up during Ben’s original run.

Or at least, that’s what I remember reading on a wiki once.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32509: Dec 6th 2023 at 11:16:56 AM

[up]As they said, beyond the fact that his last name was Carradine (which we know from his daughter), no, we've never learned his name. The Raimi movies called him Dennis Carradine, but that's never made it's way back to 616. Most adaptations never reveal his name or much of anything about him, with the notable exception of Spectacular Spider-Man, which composited him with Black Cat's dad and resultantly called him Walter Hardy.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32510: Dec 6th 2023 at 12:51:14 PM

That reminds me of my theory as a kid that one-off villain "The Cat" was Black Cat's father.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32511: Dec 6th 2023 at 1:31:33 PM

So... anyone actually kind of interested in Gang War? I know, I know, Wells Run Bad, but a whole big event for the "lower tier" of super-criminals is an idea that intrigues me.

raykoda16 Volunteer Vexilologist from Between here and there Since: Apr, 2019
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#32512: Dec 6th 2023 at 1:54:26 PM

The two tie-ins so far are good at least. I heard that Spider-Woman is going to be an ongoing and everyone's been clamouring for a Mayor Cage book.

Which means that what we get will never live up to the hype and ideas festering in our own heads but what can you do....

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#32513: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:09:31 PM

I’m not reading Amazing anymore but Spider-Alan sure does have a lot of gang war stories

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32514: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:31:41 PM

From what little I've seen of Gang War, it's not outright bad and is interesting in concept, but ultimately nothing special and certainly nothing that hasn't been done better by prior writers.

I am one of those annoyed we haven't gotten a proper book for Luke as mayor. What's the point of having him do that if he's not gonna get some comics out of it? A comic in the vein of Brian K. Vaughn's Ex Machina set in an actual superhero universe is pretty cool as an idea.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32515: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:34:16 PM

There’s a lot of plot things that writers set up and then go “okay someone else pick this up and run with it” and then nobody does

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32516: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:44:00 PM

I think some writers forget that if you expect someone else to run with the baton, you sometimes have to run with them for a bit to make the hand off.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32517: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:45:06 PM

Remember the decades long Hobgoblin mystery?

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32518: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:47:15 PM

And we still don't know who FACADE is!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32519: Dec 6th 2023 at 2:57:04 PM

In fairness to the Hobgoblin thing, I assume Stern fully intended to get to the reveal but he was removed from the book. Later writers varied between “interested in resolving the mystery but had vastly differing ideas than Stern for how it should resolve” and “Hobgoblin who? I’m really more about Blood Rose! Now that’s a good character concept!”

It’s different than how Jason Aaron would go “Draculas run Chernobyl now! Anyone want to play around with a vampire nation? Anyway, gotta go half setup six more kinda cool things to throw in the sandbox!”

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 6th 2023 at 5:58:38 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32520: Dec 6th 2023 at 3:02:54 PM

Remember how you once raised a point about how Kingsley would prefer NOT being Spider-Man's arch enemy since he's all about business over petty grudges, to the point he went out of his way to make a Goblin formula that wouldn't drive it's user insane?

I actually remembered how him framing Ned Leeds and Flash Thompson as identities for the Hobgoblin put him on Spider-Man's shit list. Ironic how his efforts to stay under the radar ended up making things personal with Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32521: Dec 6th 2023 at 3:04:49 PM

[up][up]In Stern's case, he got tripped before he could finish his leg of the marathon because someone else wouldn't let him.cool

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#32522: Dec 6th 2023 at 3:20:57 PM

Marvel editorial jamming a stick in the wheel of their own bicycle

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32523: Dec 6th 2023 at 6:11:31 PM

[up]x5 It would be so funny if FACADE actually gets resolved one day.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32524: Dec 6th 2023 at 6:54:52 PM

There was a sequence in the Dan Slott run where Spider-Man does arrest Facade and the latter is about to reveal his true identity but Spider-Man doesn't care.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32525: Dec 6th 2023 at 8:15:50 PM

Facade was going to be Uncle Ben. You heard it here first![lol]


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