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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32351: Nov 25th 2023 at 11:50:29 AM

It's mostly the Avengers who are so-so about him.

Wasp used to dislike him on the basis that Spiders and Wasps are natural enemies. Not sure what that was about.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32352: Nov 25th 2023 at 11:55:29 AM

[up]That apparently carried over to Nadia for some reason, though they apparently hashed it out when they were both Avengers.

She supposedly still dislikes Peter Parker though, so Status Quo stupidly maintained.

It’s like Captain America shoving the runaways into various homes without doing any checking into them or caring that a bunch of kids with powers and super tech all just lost their parents

Necessary to make the Runaways’ dumb thing work and out of character for Cap

Don't even get me started on that. I'm not asking for the Runaways to like everyone, or for every hero to always be good and perfect, but c'mon. Steve wouldn't screw up like that. Hank marvel was determined to make him a punching bag Pym was a better friend to the Runaways than that.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32353: Nov 25th 2023 at 11:56:28 AM

Also Laura outright hates Spider-Man and considers him unfunny.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32354: Nov 25th 2023 at 11:57:08 AM

Was that Runaways thing from the last run?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32355: Nov 25th 2023 at 11:59:01 AM

No I think that was from their first run.

[up][up]Oh, you mean X-23?

Well, to be fair, he did use her in a Fast Ball Special without her permission.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32356: Nov 25th 2023 at 12:22:00 PM

Janet van Dyne learned one wasp fact and decided to roll with it

The weirdest thing is that parasitic wasps lay their eggs in spiders so actually like spiders quite a lot

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raykoda16 Volunteer Vexilologist from Between here and there Since: Apr, 2019
Volunteer Vexilologist
#32357: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:04:24 PM

Nah I like Nadia irrationally deciding to not vibe with Peter/Spider-man. It's funny as shit. I also think the MU should generally have more characters who are all heroic, but just don't get along for whatever reason. Like Rogue and Carol.

Mackay mentioned in an interview that making the Avengers the no-fun parade was such an easy cop out, one that he was even guilty of in Moon Knight that he wanted to deliberately avoid in his run. So far, so good.

Cap sending the Runaways like that was way too far. Also the Punisher shooting at them and generally being treated as a joke. Say what you want about Rowell, but she didn't do that crap!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32358: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:10:26 PM

How do the Runaways feel now that they are the adults they hate so much?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32359: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:17:07 PM

I like the arc that Nico is an Avenger and happy to fit into the superhero world.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32360: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:25:45 PM

I also think the MU should generally have more characters who are all heroic, but just don't get along for whatever reason. Like Rogue and Carol.

Rogue and Carol have justifiable reasons for not getting along.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32361: Nov 25th 2023 at 2:32:04 PM

Rogue doesn’t like that Carol kept punching her in the face, Carol didn’t like that Rogue violently attacked her and ripped out her memories, powers, and personality.

But Carol finally stopped wishing harm on Rogue recently

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32362: Nov 25th 2023 at 3:22:01 PM

[up]x5 Yeah, even great writers can sometimes fall into that bad habit of having the Avengers (and other superhuman teams like the X-Men) come in and act like a “no fun allowed” brigade to the book’s protagonists. It’s an unfortunate trope within the setting. A very bad expression of Let's You and Him Fight

Speaking of characters who are good but hate each other, Spidey himself has that dynamic with Storm. I’ve noticed that in virtually EVERY Spider-Man/X-Men crossover, Peter and Ororo always get along like oil and water. Storm — rather like Laura — finds Peter’s constant jokes and general personality annoying, while Peter sees Storm as a self-righteous asshole who takes herself too seriously and threatens to lightning bolt people at little provocation.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32363: Nov 25th 2023 at 3:24:53 PM

Honestly, I'm glad Spidey gets along with Nightcrawler. Dude is my favorite X-Man.

Also Kitty Pryde in the Ultimate verse.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32364: Nov 25th 2023 at 3:54:25 PM

Amusingly I think Cyclops a lightened up a lot, especially since he does get a lot of humbling moments and his past self's time with the Champions has left him a genuine friend of the young people.

So Ororo tends to be more a hardass than Scott is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#32365: Nov 26th 2023 at 5:12:52 PM

Ultimate spiderman looks like it will be really interesting.

I wonder what other twists they might put on the mythos and such.

Hail Vox Populi!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32366: Nov 26th 2023 at 5:16:09 PM

Well considering Norman Osborn is TOTALLY DEAD AND NOT AT ALL ALIVE, I'm very curious to see how they handle the Green Goblin here.

Especially since this Spider-Man is already an adult but still learning to crawl.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32367: Nov 26th 2023 at 5:30:19 PM

The obvious guess would be that 6160 Green Goblin is Harry… but given that Nu-Ultimate is going really hard on doing weird and different takes on Marvel, Hickman is probably gonna blindside with some out-of-nowhere identity for him.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#32368: Nov 27th 2023 at 2:34:03 AM

In B4 Green Goblin is uncle Ben.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#32369: Nov 27th 2023 at 2:40:53 AM

I'm sure I saw a comment about the Ultimate/6160 Goblin being perceived as a hero.

I think Earth-616 Norman had at least one early story where the public assumed he was a hero, as they didn't know he was taking down rival gangs.

It could be that. They could actually be a hero. And then slide into villainy or get killed and replaced. Plenty of scope for fun.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#32370: Nov 27th 2023 at 2:43:00 AM

Terrible idea I had: Peter will be killed early in the run, and he's the inspiration for his kids to take up superheroing.

I doubt they'll do that though.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32371: Nov 27th 2023 at 2:45:27 AM

[up][up] That was me, and I was talking about 616 Norman during Thunderbolts and Dark Reign.

[up] Don't give them ideas, they already aged up Annie May.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 27th 2023 at 6:45:50 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32372: Nov 27th 2023 at 10:38:47 AM

I'm sure I saw a comment about the Ultimate/6160 Goblin being perceived as a hero.

That is what one of the solicitations said.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32373: Nov 28th 2023 at 4:37:46 AM

Yay, new Unlimited story began today, and it's the return of the Renew Your Vows Spidey.

We kick things off in 616, where Peter is webbing off crooks. As he swings away, he begins to think about the multiverse and the worlds where everything he ever wanted in life worked out for him...he draws on the memory of the Renew Your Vows Spider-Family and reckons he's a really good dad.......And then we cut to RYV Spidey, who says he's probably the worst dad. Why? Because he's had to prioritise fighting crime over buying Annie an expensive present. It's Christmas time!

After a high speed car chase, Peter webs up the crooks and arrives at 'Conway's Gizmos' to fetch Annie her present, he changes to civilian gear but when he sees the place has been burgled, he realizes the switch was a waste and puts his costume on again. Peter talks to the cops, who tell him someone in a skin tight spandex costume swiped the gizmos before the shop even opened, Peter heads off to investigate, while someone is watching him from the shadows

Edited by Zarius on Nov 28th 2023 at 5:35:53 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#32374: Nov 28th 2023 at 4:44:35 AM

[up] I really liked that one.

It does read as... exceedingly pointed... in how it discusses the Earth-616 status quo.

    One line and one panel that hammer it home 
"But, hey, change is hard. And it feels like my life has been nothing but lately. Change... and loss."

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/3319315d_de82_477e_a2bd_0841c9727bfc.jpeg
I mean... ouch.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32375: Nov 28th 2023 at 5:38:21 AM

Damn, those jabs at how 616 Spidey are doing are brutal.

On the other end, RYV Peter getting out of his costume only to have to immediately get back IN his costume is peak Spidey humor.


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