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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32301: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:14:22 PM

They are legit losing talent because of the Marvel Status Quo and Editorial refuses to budge on it.

That's a lot of sunk cost fallacy there.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#32302: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:19:54 PM

[up] Soon enough, writing under Spider-Editorial is going to be like being a lawyer for Trump: Anyone competent at the job will either leave on their own in short order due to the stress of dealing with the boss's unreasonable demands or else be fired for refusing one of said demands, and that'll leave just the dregs of the industry whose only real skill is schmoozing up to the boss.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32303: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:31:45 PM

Editorial knows they can get away with this because Spider-Man still sells despite this being one of the worst runs I've read.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32304: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:16:51 PM

Is it still selling well? I know No Such Thing as Bad Publicity, but this is an ongoing issue.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#32305: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:18:14 PM

Comic books sales numbers are a messy business. Especially with all the variants and stuff.

Wake me up at your own risk.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32306: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:30:02 PM

Spider-Man’s consistent sales are generally chalked up to three things:

  • Spider-Man is Marvel’s biggest and most popular superhero and always had sales higher than other comics because of it, even when it’s not doing well.
  • Ass loads of variants for every issue so collectors will buy more than one copy.
  • Publishing at a higher rate than other comics due to being bi-monthly or even tri-monthly instead of monthly.

These three factors combine to make fluff up Spider-Man’s sales numbers. Even then, its sales are pathetic compared to a lot of manga and indie comics.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:30:31 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32307: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:30:20 PM

ASM has become a wood chipper for talent

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32308: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:30:58 PM

No wonder Chip decided not to sign on.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32309: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:33:38 PM

There's really no reason for anyone who wants to do actual "writing" to work on ASM. They know the editors are the one's who are really making the stories...and they insist on the preservation of a dead end staus quo that no one wants. The fact they have to put out a ton of variants would seem to indicate that they know the book can't sell on it's own merits. The comics are already far behind the other Spider-Man media in terms of popularity...so if Ultimate outsells ASM as it likely will...that will be further proof of OMD's continuing unpopularity.

Edited by knightstorm on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:35:43 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32310: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:34:11 PM

Fuck, guess I'm buying Ultimate Spider-Man day one.

THREE TIMES!!!!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32311: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:35:12 PM

I wish you luck with your endeavors

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32312: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:35:18 PM

[up][up][up][up] Ironically Chip is doing the exact same shit as Wells over on Batman.

While he probably doesn't agree with editorial idea that Spidey should be a beaten down sadsack, he probably doesn't share the same opinion for Batman. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:36:02 AM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32313: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:36:37 PM

Spider-Man seems to be selling (as issues) better than anything else Marvel does, and generally better than everything DC does except Batman.

Yes, all the variant covers add to that - but they're relatively low cost to add, and it's all still money in the bank for Marvel. Putting 12 variant covers on Speedball wouldn't get the same effect.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32314: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:40:26 PM

[up][up]Batman has historically had a lot of the same problems that Spider-Man faces with shit like out-of-touch editorial enforcing shitty status quos everyone hates or trying to fuck over popular characters the editorial doesn’t like for petty, creepy, bigoted reasons. Which makes sense since they occupy similar positions in their respective companies as their most popular heroes.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:40:46 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32315: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:49:51 PM

I wonder if giving Mephisto a less stupid motive (ie. needing Mayday wiped from existence because she's the one who will permanently destroy him) was the best Spencer could get out of editorial.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32316: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:51:43 PM

[up][up] Something to note that chances is that Wells isn't a sychophant, he could be more a writer who genuinely agrees with editorials wants.

It's pretty much either potential here. They either sycophantic yes men or like minded writers.

Cause in Chip's case on Batman is likely that his Batman isn't suffering much executive meddling, cause what he wants to write is exactly the kind of shit editorial wants.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32317: Nov 23rd 2023 at 4:11:06 PM

At this point, anyone who writes work-for-hire for Marvel or DC knows that they're working within the framework editorial gives them.

And that means that it you've got a flagship book, editorial is probably giving you less flexibility. At least one major crossover a year, and no status quo changes except the ones they want to make.

Either you're supportive of what they want to do, or you acknowledge they own the characters and make the best of it.

For a book like Spider-Man, Marvel will want to he sure of that before you start your run, because they really don't like swapping writers out midway.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#32318: Nov 23rd 2023 at 4:36:22 PM

carnage #1. carnage tries to take down omnipotence city but they are able to send him away, to ryker's where he rewrites the body, mind, and dna of the guy in the cell to be cletus. he then starts killing people but with a purpose this time by trying to get people to worship him while doing it so he can be an actual god. also flash is there

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#32319: Nov 23rd 2023 at 4:42:57 PM

[up]

How many Cletus clones is running around now? There's Cletus' consciousness inside the Extremebiote, the Cletus Deadpool gave birth to, and now the Cletus Carnage copy-pasted.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32320: Nov 23rd 2023 at 4:52:12 PM

ASM is a lost cause until the 3 guys keeping OMD going are gone. The book is practically being mocked by the rest of the Spider-Man media and now even other Spider-Man comics.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#32321: Nov 23rd 2023 at 4:55:40 PM

Going back a couple pages to: "Mary Jane told Peter she 'felt' her child die in the Final Chapter storyline"

New theory: Mayday actually did die, and that lady working for Norman stole a different baby and claimed it was Peter and MJ's kid because she was worried she wouldn't get paid if Norman knew the real baby miscarried.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#32322: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:01:55 PM

Which brings us back to how nice could sinless Norman have been if he never confessed his hand in that or brought Mayday back

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#32323: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:04:49 PM

[up][up][up][up]the cletus that came out of deadpool was eaten by princess the giant dog symbiote that came out of deadpool. but now there are two cletus's the extremebiote one which is recovering from being blasted to bits and the new one.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#32325: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:52:03 PM

[up]the one lady from hordiculture the old lady group of x-men villains, who was the main bad guy of the man-thing specials a few years ago implanted deadpool with stuff, and eventually she cut him open and out popped a fully formed cletus, only for a giant dog symbiote wade calls princess comes out from his organs and eats the cletus


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