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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32276: Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:58:58 AM

Ah.

I give credit to the actor Norman hired. They were willing to die to screw with the head of some random guy they didn't know.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32277: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:13:50 AM

Norman gives some great dental plans.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32278: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:17:53 AM

I’ve kind of commented on it before, but a big reason these attempts to drag Peter backwards in terms of age and status quo go over so badly is that the creators have to put Peter through utterly horrifying and traumatic experiences to take away all the good things that came with his growing up, but they’re doing it in the name of forcing Spider-Man into a supposedly Lighter and Softer tone where Peter doesn’t have all those icky adult problems and just has silly adventures or goes on fun dates and such. So it creates this baffling tonal dissonance problem.

They wanted Peter to be young and hip and tried to do so by killing his unborn child and brother while bringing back his most hated enemy.

They wanted Peter to be a single, swinging bachelor who got laid a lot and tried to do so by blowing up his wife.

They wanted Peter to be back to how he was in the high school/college years and tried to do so by making him sell his life to the devil for the sake of a few more years with senior citizen.

Its crazy.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32279: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:27:44 AM

Has the "few more years" ever been directly stated?

I kinda like the idea that Peter didn't read the small print. In three hundred years time May will still be there; alongside Thor, Hercules, Logan and the other immortals and slow-aging types...

Probably has coffee with Agatha Harkness every Thursday.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 23rd 2023 at 6:37:39 PM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32280: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:31:06 AM

I've theorized in the past that May has latent Inhuman genes to explain how she's still alive despite having looked about a hundred years old since Peter was in high school. She was probably classmates with Logan in the late 1800's...

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32281: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:32:43 AM

[up][up] I KNEW IT! Aunt May was in league with Mephisto.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32282: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:46:37 AM

A viable interpretation of Spencer's run is that the deal Mephisto made with Peter didn't actually heal Aunt May but just made some magic clones like with Harry.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32283: Nov 23rd 2023 at 10:50:33 AM

[up]Personally...I view all of the Post-OMD characters as clones created by demonic magic. It really would explain everything.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32284: Nov 23rd 2023 at 11:13:30 AM

Mephisto actually brought back the actress Norman hired, she's going for an Oscar this time around.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32285: Nov 23rd 2023 at 11:49:46 AM

[up]Personally...I view all of the Post-OMD characters as clones created by demonic magic. It really would explain everything.

I actually shared an idea similar to yours via Twitter:

Basically all the people Peter and MJ dated (minus Paul), like the Michelles and Pedro, were actually homunculi, like in FullMetal Alchemist made by Mephisto with the explicit task to just f*ck Peter around and when they've done that, Mephisto just went and killed them, thus explaining why we never hear from them again.

And speaking of Paul, turns out he was lying through his teeth about everything.

He knew his variant of Ben Rabin was evil from the start and helped him because Paul thought he'd be able to rule a piece of the world...only for him to not be privy about how Rabin wanted to just salt the earth. Worse, Paul infected MJ with a mind-control parasite to keep her "behaved" and she would stop whining about Peter (like Yubaba and Haku in Spirited Away). And he knew from day one that the fake kids were exactly that, but didn't tell MJ out of fear that she would leave him the second Peter showed up on the off-chance they somehow learn about the parasite (the isolation might've made Paul a wee bit paranoid). Much to Paul's genuine surprise, the parasite worked better than anticipated and it kept her at Paul's side even after he got hospitalized and after the kids evaporated (his big "nooo!" was because he considered the kids a bargaining chip in case the parasite somehow crapped out).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32286: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:00:33 PM

Here's the truth:

Paul is Peter's mojo.

:)

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32287: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:01:27 PM

Clearly, Peter should just fuck Norman because Wells is building up to that.

"Peter, don't tell Harry."

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32288: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:01:47 PM

Is A.R.M.O.R. still around, or did they crash and burn with S.H.I.E.L.D.?

Given that Paul's not actually from Earth-616, I can see a bunch of their agents piling out of a van, hooding and cuffing Paul and dragging him off, never to be seen again.

Cut to Charles Little Sky (Portal) standing in the shadows, unsmiling. Gives Spider-Man a small nod. Gestures towards the van, which is vanishing into the distance.

"That one's for rescuing me back when the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants brainwashed me. Someone told Morbius about this piece of #%€$, so then Morbius told me. Figure we're even now."

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:06:38 PM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32289: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:21:54 PM

The only kind of ending Paul deserves.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
raykoda16 Volunteer Vexilologist from Between here and there Since: Apr, 2019
Volunteer Vexilologist
#32291: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:36:38 PM

It's amazing how we have a character with no sauce whatsoever. He's not even cool to hate for being so awful, he's just an eyesore. Shitty characters have been rehabilitated before, but he has no qualities or ideas to be redeemed. And somehow we were supposed to like him??? That's not even an impressive over the top failure, that's just a stunning lack of writing ability. How the hell did this happen.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32292: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:41:15 PM

Paul exists for one reason...and one reason only...to be a barrier between Peter and MJ. He's just a Poochie without the writer's self awareness.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32293: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:42:36 PM

Wayep and Rabin are defeated. The kids are gone.

Does Paul actually have a life now? Does he have a job? Friends? Anything?

The sorry state he's in does have some scope for a writer to turn him into a different kind of character. You can build on that stuff. But would anyone bother?

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32294: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:45:51 PM

At this point, frankly, you could replace Paul with a cardboard cutout that just sits motionless projecting canned lines from a recorder taped to it and he’d have the same amount of effect on the plot.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32295: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:48:11 PM

They have plans for him to be MJ's guy in the chair to annoy people as much as possible.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#32296: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:51:06 PM

[up][up]You just gave me the brilliant mental image of Paul as Homer Simpson's work dummy.

Edited by lbssb on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:56:44 PM

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32297: Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:51:13 PM

[up]That dummy is waaayyy more useful and entertaining than Paul.[lol]

The best thing to do at this point is to have a mass exodus to Ultimate Spider-Man...and abandon ASM entirely. The book is just editorials bad fanfic...so let them be the only one's reading it.

Edited by knightstorm on Nov 23rd 2023 at 12:59:23 PM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32298: Nov 23rd 2023 at 1:56:59 PM

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Welp. Slott just confirmed what everyone already knew. Spencer was trying to undo OMD with his run. He insists that editorial’s refusal to allow it was from the beginning, but the mere fact that he confirms Nick was fixing things and wasn’t allowed to gives a lot of ammunition to the idea that Spencer was ousted from ASM for trying.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32299: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:09:02 PM

Oh boy, this is certainly going to make the next live event more interesting.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32300: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:10:42 PM

Well that explains why Spencer left the company after ASM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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