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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32251: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:03:26 AM

He says that Pete left them for six months, and that he had to step up as Spider-man because Peter disappeared.

That doesn't sound like Pete missing calls (also suck it up Miles, Peter was the sole Spider-man for way fucking longer than six months, and you've dropped the gig for an entire year)

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#32252: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:04:01 AM

Was that the very start of the Wells run? If so, seems a bit late to bring it up now.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32253: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:05:56 AM

[up] Yeah that's what I was thinking about.

[up][up] Are you referring to when Miles quit being Spider-Man after Venom killed his mom back in 1610?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32254: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:14:43 AM

[up] ye

[up][up] That's the only thing I can think of but was Peter even missing for that long?

Edited by Saiga on Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:14:50 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#32255: Nov 23rd 2023 at 2:37:35 AM

The issue one time skip is six months and it's implied that he hasn't been on patrol during that time. He's certainly been ghosting Johnny Storm and Randy for several months - there are just under 3 months worth of unread texts from Randy shown.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32256: Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:33:51 AM

Right, I went back to check that because I'd forgotten that

Still, it really doesn't feel like it makes sense to come up now

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32257: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:03:09 AM

Still, it really doesn't feel like it makes sense to come up now

Forget it, Saiga. It's Chinatown Zeb Wells' Amazing Spider-Man run.

Nothing about it makes sense. Unless it makes Peter look like a loser who can't win at anything, Wells DGAF.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32258: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:44:59 AM

Y’know, the funny thing is that I’m totally okay with the basic idea of Peter getting called on his bullshit by a ton of different people. He’s a genuinely deeply flawed guy who’s made a lot of really bad mistakes in his life. There’s plenty of stuff you could have people be pissed at him for and it’d be totally justified, or you could have him do stuff that pisses people off and it’d make sense.

The problem is, Wells and Lowe don’t care about little things like “making sense” and just want their precious status quo, so they engage in these inept, poorly conceived excuses to have everyone treat Peter like absolute dogshit without actually having Peter do anything worthy of that response because they’re scared of anything that would make him feel older, like having to maturely face his own failings, and also scared of having Peter be as flawed as he was written to be for most of his history because he’s their pet character. Plus, they really don’t care much for any character other than Peter and Norman.

So instead of Peter doing anything where all this anger and bile directed at him would be justified or just having people treat him nicely, they contrive “WHAT DID PETER DO” type bullshit to use as weak justifications for having all of Peter’s friends and family turn on him, leaving him with nothing but Norman.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32259: Nov 23rd 2023 at 5:55:05 AM

That and they are ironically promoting a victim complex for Peter's character. That he doesn't really do anything wrong and it's the world out to get him since none of it is his fault.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32260: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:15:52 AM

I know Charles is going to be VERY happy.

Especially since Norman is totally dead.

It does look awesome!

Plus Kingpin!

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32261: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:17:01 AM

20 internet dollars says that Kingpin and Green Goblin fight over who gets to be the crime king of New York.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32262: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:48:23 AM

[up][up][up] Like the worst Peter did was act jumpy and hostile, but that's because he was racing the clock because for all he knew, MJ would be old and withered at best and dead at worst if he didn't hurry up.

Man, this run is just so awful. And it feels criminal that it still prints money because it's freaking Spider-Man. Plus, apparently they didn't even plan it all the way through because they thought they could milk this "everybody hates Peter lol" status quo forever.

(The only silver lining from all this is that Dan Slott has been going on a tirade about comic book industry conspiracies via CBR and I'm told that if he's like that, it's because the higher-ups at Marvel Comics decided that the current direction for Spidey stinks.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 23rd 2023 at 6:29:34 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32263: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:49:20 AM

Wait, what did Dan Slott say exactly?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32264: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:58:49 AM

[up] A lot of stuff. One thing is that he contradicts himself about how he "had to move mountains" to make Renew Your Vows happen.

I'd have to do some more digging, but it's kinda insane.

EDIT: okay, here's more I could find:

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 23rd 2023 at 11:07:44 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#32265: Nov 23rd 2023 at 7:59:15 AM

Didn't Peter and Miles talk in #10 of this run and were fine with each other?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32266: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:02:19 AM

[up] Yup! Super-inconsistency is the name of the game over here at Zeb Wells' ASM run!

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32267: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:04:39 AM

Yeah at one point MJ is sad that her fake children faded away, and now she's suddenly jokey and full of smiles at Peter's expense in the next story.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#32268: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:06:35 AM

"I will become a superhero to avenge my obnoxious fake children!"

You had less of a reaction to your real daughter getting murder-kidnapped!

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32269: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:12:54 AM

You had less of a reaction to your real daughter getting murder-kidnapped!

And half a reaction to a teenaged superhero getting herself killed just to keep you safe! (Seriously, Kamala deserved soooo much more than that BS in Dead Language.)

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32270: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:13:54 AM

[up][up] We can't even classify MJ as a MILF.[lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#32271: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:18:42 AM

We can't even classify MJ as a MILF.[lol]

Well, I've already seen tweets classifying MJ from Earth-6160 (Hickman's USM) as a MILF, so... [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32272: Nov 23rd 2023 at 8:21:48 AM

Well, there's also RYV MJ and MC 2 MJ.

The former looks quite fine in that Spider-Suit.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 24th 2023 at 12:22:06 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32273: Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:49:14 AM

Slott also claims he wanted to end his run with Peter and MJ together and it was editorial that told him he couldn't as they wanted to save it for the big triumphant moment of Spencer's premiere issue.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32274: Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:56:16 AM

Does Mary Jane not know whether May was not a miscarriage?

Also, I remember that's the moment that broke me off Spider-Man. Everyone was waiting for Peter to find out and go after his child to rescue her.

It's only by Life of Reilly did I find out that, "Oh, we just thought fans would forget about her."

"I will become a superhero to avenge my obnoxious fake children!"

You joke but making Wiccan and Speed fake demon children was meant to erase them and for Wanda to never have to worry about them again.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:57:10 AM

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32275: Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:57:43 AM

[up] Mary Jane told Peter she 'felt' her child die in the Final Chapter storyline, Peter refused to believe her and headed off to rescue what turned out to be Aunt May.

Edited by Zarius on Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:57:55 AM


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