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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32126: Nov 15th 2023 at 8:36:35 AM

I say just pull a Superman Reborn. Bring over the Peter and MJ from Lost Hunt...have them absorb the BND versions and adjust the timeline. Any inconsistencies won't be any worse than what OMD created.

Edited by knightstorm on Nov 15th 2023 at 10:14:21 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#32127: Nov 15th 2023 at 8:45:28 AM

In the first issue of the newest Superior run, a lot of interesting things happen. We get a flashback of Bailey's time as Superior Spidey's sidekick, where they fight Mister Negative with the help of Scott Lang's fantastic four, and Otto gets his memories back, remembering he was Perer Parker.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32128: Nov 15th 2023 at 9:26:50 AM

This first issue of the new Superior just affirms to me something I noted before; I actually really like Bailey as a concept of “Spidey’s Robin” and he’s got a fantastic dynamic with Peter. He’s a great character and I really hope he sticks around. If it weren’t for the dumbass Backstory Invader aspect of him, I’d have zero complaints about him.

I also really like the contrast between how Peter and Otto treat Bailey when under the mask. Peter as a supportive, jovial mentor who really tries to help Bailey bring out his best side, while Otto sees Bailey mostly as a pest who he just wants to go away (while also being a tad protective of him because the kid reminds him of himself and Otto hates the idea of kids getting hurt in general despite himself).

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#32129: Nov 15th 2023 at 11:05:41 AM

Is there a reason why Spider-Boy was even necessary?

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#32130: Nov 15th 2023 at 11:08:39 AM

I'm just counting the days until it's revealed he's The Void having come back to life in an amnesiac human form.

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#32131: Nov 15th 2023 at 11:12:10 AM

I mean almost nothing in comics is necessary

I assume he exists because Slott wanted to write a kid sidekick type of spider

And as far as I’ve heard and seen Bailey is fine. Unobjectionable. Even endearing.

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reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#32132: Nov 15th 2023 at 11:21:09 AM

As immortaleditor said, the only really objectionable part about Bailey is the whole Backstory Invader Remember the New Guy? "He's been there all along!" bit.

Slott has, against all expectations, managed to carve Bailey a solid niche in the writing by making him the more fun and less serious foil to Peter. He's cocky, reckless, and goofy as a 10-year-old ought to be. He's simultaneously someone with a Small Name, Big Ego and a kid with a lot of emotional baggage and seeks validation from the people he can open up to. He also has a fun dynamic with Peter and forces Peter to be written as a functional adult and a competent superhero (unlike Wells cough cough).

In other words, Bailey is a rounded character who is actually fun to read and isn't constantly dredged in the misery that the Spider-Editorial is keen on subjecting Peter to. It allows Slott and Gage to have the stupid, wisecracking jokes and goofy interactions without making Peter look like a manchild. Peter acting as a teacher has always led to great stories (see the popularity of Insomniac's take on Spider-Man and runs like Elliot Kalan's Spider-Man and the X-Men) and serves as a strong contrast to Otto's self-righteous and egotistic Superior Spider-Man.

Edited by reppuzan on Nov 15th 2023 at 1:21:55 AM

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#32133: Nov 15th 2023 at 11:25:39 AM

The Void would be a more intimidating name for The Spot while still fitting his powers.

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#32134: Nov 15th 2023 at 12:48:43 PM

Is the Spot's powers relates to the Lightforce or Darkforce, or are they a different thing?

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32135: Nov 15th 2023 at 1:04:49 PM

[up]They haven’t tied Spot’s powers into anything. Logically they could easily be linked to the Darkforce.

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#32136: Nov 15th 2023 at 1:22:53 PM

[up]

IIRC, Cristo's Gage's Marvel Unlimited run on Spider-Man had Cloak call Spot's powers similar to his, so the Darkforce is absolutely a possibility.

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#32137: Nov 15th 2023 at 2:02:46 PM

Pretty sure his powers were established as Darkforce linked when he first appeared in Spectacular Spider-Man in the 1980s - the previous arc featured Cloak & Dagger, and I think his machinery overloaded while trying to analyse them?

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#32138: Nov 15th 2023 at 2:45:57 PM

In the recent marvel unlimited story with insomniac spidy and 616 spidey, didn't it involve the spot. Was it the game version of the 616 version because I'm pretty sure the 616 version is inside carnage. Along with hydro man

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#32139: Nov 15th 2023 at 3:18:38 PM

[up] The arc's still going. Spot's definitely the main threat, but that covers the Earth-616 version and several of his alternates. He's been sharing his power to stop it overloading and affecting his mind, then killing them off. Until one tries the same trick on him first...

No sign of Insomniac Spot (unless he's one of the victims before the Spideys meet). The one that turns up in that world is actually the Earth-616 version.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 15th 2023 at 11:20:06 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#32140: Nov 15th 2023 at 3:53:05 PM

Side note- I saw on Scans Daily a Mark Waid Daredevil comic where he fights the Spot, and the way Spot looks in Daredevil’s thermal vision is not pretty. Biblically Accurate Angel vibes.

So I guess the Spiderverse cartoon didn’t invent the “eldritch Spot” (even though he’s a pushover in the comic itself).

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#32141: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:23:56 PM

[up][up]yeah I'm just wondering when its set then because carnage absorbed spot and hydro man that's how he's been universe hopping.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32142: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:35:05 PM

[up][up]Spot’s got a history of being a Not-So-Harmless Villain. It’s just that tragically few writers were willing to commit to him being that. Two different traumatic incidents have caused him to go batshit crazy and dangerous (MODOK nearly killing him and his son getting shot during BND) and when he does, he becomes nigh-unstoppable. The Spider-Verse just committed to the idea.

[up]The reason Spot is alive after being killed and absorbed by Carnage is as established by the Unlimited Infinity comic being talked about, he has Resurrective Immortality. Anytime he dies, his current body dissolves and his soul goes to the dimension his spots connect to, where he reconstitutes a new body to wear. Basically, he’s not human anymore. This was actually set up in the Carnage issue you’re mentioning, as Spot yells out that he can’t die as he’s murdered, which was unexplained until the Infinity comic.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32143: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:44:35 PM

Didn’t Soot defeat Spider-Man first time they met?

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32144: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:09:37 PM

[up]He did indeed, which Spidey was super embarrassed about and doesn’t like acknowledging.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#32145: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:33:35 PM

He clobbered him in the 90's cartoon too.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#32146: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:55:36 PM

Side note- I saw on Scans Daily a Mark Waid Daredevil comic where he fights the Spot, and the way Spot looks in Daredevil’s thermal vision is not pretty. Biblically Accurate Angel vibes.

Oh that's interesting, I wonder how that lo-DEAR LORD!

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32147: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:56:13 PM

Cursed.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#32148: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:58:22 PM

Well, I kinda regret that.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#32149: Nov 15th 2023 at 7:46:20 PM

[up][up][up]That's some nightmare fuel for sure.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#32150: Nov 15th 2023 at 9:34:18 PM

He clobbered him in the 90's cartoon too.

That version of the Spot also became a villain because of Tony Stark, similar to Mysterio in Far From Home.


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