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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32101: Nov 15th 2023 at 12:42:28 AM

I saw that post as well and frankly I disagree with it. Though Flash took longer to come around with Peter, once he did they had way better chemistry, and frankly, I think Flash had a much better claim to be Peter's best friend.

At least up to the point I've read (the early 80s, so after Harry's drug addiction and therapy) Peter and Flash are way closer. Harry's always been kind of a dick, and spent a lot of time either addicted to drugs or in therapy, even out of therapy he's still not entirely well and a bit distant to Peter as a result. But Flash and Peter are hanging out regularly and have a natural rapport with each other.

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#32102: Nov 15th 2023 at 12:44:50 AM

And Superior Spider-Man #1 is out.

In the present, we get Peter and Bailey fighting Mirage and Supernova. In flashback, we see how Doc Ock, as the Superior Spider-Man, dealt with Bailey. And then, back in the present, Ock rediscovers that Spider-Man is Peter and all the memories come flooding back....

Not a bad start.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32103: Nov 15th 2023 at 12:48:52 AM

So Norman goes back to being evil just as Otto goes back to being good.

Huh.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32104: Nov 15th 2023 at 12:50:28 AM

Eh, Flash and Peter are not really people who ever became close, IMHO.

Peter made peace with him after he came back from Vietnam (or Sincong?) but he was already besties with Harry then and there were decades of hanging out.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32105: Nov 15th 2023 at 1:15:54 AM

They didn't have decades of hanging out. Out of universe, they had about 4-5 years before Harry's first overdose, which checks him into the hospital for ten issues, and then when he gets out it's not long before he relapses again.

At this time, Flash and Peter had already warmed up to each other quite a bit, even as they're still ribbing each other. Even as early as the issues where Harry invites Peter to move in with him, Peter is speaking well of Flash - just not to his face.

Then Harry's still bedridden and delirious when Gwen Stacy dies, at which point he becomes Peter's enemy, until he's admitted to hospital, and then finally emerges from therapy but still a bit distant from Peter. He really doesn't spend that much time as Peter's friend, it's brought up a couple of times how long Peter and Harry will go without seeing each other even when living together.

And in-universe this is probably only about a year!

So unless something much later happens where they become much closer friends (before Harry returns to being the Green Goblin) I'm really not seeing it.

Meanwhile, where I'm at, Peter and Flash have been consistently friendly for a while. When Peter moved in with Flash they found themselves getting along so well they just talked until both fell asleep in their chairs.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32106: Nov 15th 2023 at 3:17:16 AM

In regards to the Superior spoiler: Otto remembering everything after Peter unmasks works in a similar manner to the spell that was credited to Doctor Strange, Tony and Reed Richards...so maybe this finally confirms that the mind-wipe spell does belong to Mephisto and he simply made Peter, Strange and the rest remember differently?

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#32107: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:28:14 AM

Oh boy, I just know the writers are once again going to tease a OMD resolution and then switch it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32108: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:39:15 AM

I maintain the best thing to do is undo the spell and Peter/Mary Jane agree to stay unmarried.

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#32109: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:43:44 AM

Then reveal MJ was actually Norman all along.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32110: Nov 15th 2023 at 4:45:53 AM

I say that the marriage should stay ended just so we can not focus on the subject for...ten years.

Because it's dominated Spider-man for virtually that entire time.

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#32111: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:04:28 AM

Or we can end the domination of the lack of marriage... By... Marrying them. Novel approach!

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32112: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:05:44 AM

I admit my full reasoning for opposing it is because I ship Felicia and Spidey.

:)

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32113: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:07:18 AM

Well they broke up for dumbass reasons. So that's what Spider-Man's love life is under Marvel Editorial.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32114: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:15:32 AM

[up][up] these dont have to be mutually exclusive

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#32115: Nov 15th 2023 at 5:17:33 AM

As with the original OMD decision, there's too much history to use any sort of cosmic reset button.

The best we can hope for, imo - to settle it once and for all - is that Peter and MJ gain some memories of the way the alternate timeline would have gone, which do not overshadow their current lives but give them the hope that things could work out that way again and potentially put them back on that path, towards Spider-Wedding #2.

Which is similar to what's been done in other books (mostly X-books) in the wake of various reality rewrites.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32116: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:01:31 AM

[up]I think the best solution would simply be this:

The spell is broken, Mephisto is defeated, and everybody affected by it gets their original memories back. Peter and MJ remember they’re married, but now that they’ve spent so much time being undermined and pitted against each other, mending their relationship will take time. And the subsequent issues have Peter and MJ talking about their issues and patching things up before ultimately renewing their vows as a way of reaffirming their marriage.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32117: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:17:56 AM

Ursula the cute Ukrainian neighbor from the Raimi Trilogy is Best Girl anyway.

Mostly joking.

Mostly.

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#32118: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:19:43 AM

[up][up]The battle would cross over with Ghost Rider and Doctor Strange.

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#32119: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:28:15 AM

Did Ursula even make it into 616? Feels like a missed opportunity.

For that matter, have we had any alternate universe versions where Peter's happily married to one of his post-OMD alternative love interests?

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#32120: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:33:27 AM

[up] No we haven't.

If Peter and MJ remember, everyone remembers, and their marriage would become legal again, since they never officially divorced...and they will NOT have Spider-Man go through a divorce in the comics. It may have happened in the Spider-Verse movie, but they got married right away again once Peter mellowed out and grew as a person

You also saw in Amazing Fantasy#1000 that Peter and MJ grow old together in the future, and Slott left it ambiguous as to whether or not that was 616.

Bottom line is people who want Peter and MJ to stay 'unmarried' only say that because they have no faith whatsoever in editorial. It's been categorically proven time and again no love interest beyond MJ has managed to last or be as interesting as her, Felicia included, she is best served as a foil and the kind of stories you can tell with her and Peter fly in the face of who Peter is.

Edited by Zarius on Nov 15th 2023 at 6:35:26 AM

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#32121: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:38:17 AM

Ursula the cute Ukrainian neighbor from the Raimi Trilogy is Best Girl anyway.

Mostly joking.

Mostly.

But if he married her, then he'd have a father-in-law who wouldn't stop insisting on RENT.

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#32122: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:44:45 AM

Eh, about as annoying as your average father in law.

Wake me up at your own risk.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#32123: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:47:44 AM

They can remember being married but not actually be married because reality got upended.

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#32124: Nov 15th 2023 at 6:48:53 AM

If Peter and MJ remember, everyone remembers, and their marriage would become legal again, since they never officially divorced...
That depends if remembering would automatically rewrite history to create the paper trail and undo the other version of events. Which comes down to whatever the writer and editor want to happen, I guess. But plenty of scope to remember without making it a thing that actually happened in this timeline.

If they remember but the world isn't physically changed, then it's the usual X-Men situation again - e.g. Cyclops and Frenzy were married for a long time in the Age of X arc, and the memories are apparently still there, but nobody treats them as married in 616.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 15th 2023 at 2:49:40 PM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#32125: Nov 15th 2023 at 7:07:23 AM

[up]x6 An ironic thing about the Editorial’s hatred of MJ and the Spider-Marriage is that they’re the ones who created the situation where she’s pretty much the sole plausible love interest for Peter. They’re the ones who write out or kill every single one of his other love interests and go out of their way to make those relationships seem like nonstarters while doing absolutely pathetic jobs at doing the same with MJ. They’re the ones who let all the fantastic stories developing Peter and MJ’s relationship and making MJ into Peter’s one true love happen. They’re the ones who KEEP BRINGING HER BACK every time that they act like they’re getting rid of her, or at least, permit writers to bring her back.

They have nobody to blame but themselves for this situation where most people will no longer accept Peter with any other love interest or being single. They’re the ones who allowed Peter and MJ to reach this point where the story can’t progress or function with them both.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 15th 2023 at 7:07:55 AM


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