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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

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#31977: Nov 9th 2023 at 12:58:01 AM

Apparently Marvel thinks the fans demanded yet-more mashup versions of Venom, so here we go...

What If...? Venom

In the spirit of What If...? Miles Morales and the last couple of Spider-Gwen arcs, a series in which the Venom symbiote bonds with She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Doctor Strange, Loki and Wolverine.

Presumably because we lost a bunch of variants during Death of the Venomverse and need to restock...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31978: Nov 9th 2023 at 1:00:29 AM

Yeah Death of Venomverse did kill off the original composites, plus with the next Spider-Gwen book not being a clone someone's gotta pick up the slack. tongue

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#31979: Nov 9th 2023 at 2:35:51 AM

Venom at least makes more sense for this than other characters, but that's why they've basically already done it.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31980: Nov 9th 2023 at 2:45:00 AM

I hope at least one point of divergence is 'Spider-Man uses the actual costume machine.'

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#31981: Nov 9th 2023 at 2:50:25 AM

Here's a thought, what if we had a version of Eddie Brock that got the Venom symbiote?

It's the multiverse, anything can happen.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31982: Nov 9th 2023 at 3:09:05 AM

A missed opportunity of the original Venomverse was grappling with a character where the majority of his alternates are mostly straight up evil with only the decent ones being a relative minority.

It be Eddie grappling with the fact that him or at least variations of Venom almost always turn out to be monsters and full rogues. Like how in the Renew Your Vows universe Eddie died being killed by Peter because he attacked his family, which undoubtably would horrify 616-Eddie if he learned this.

But instead most of alternate Venom's are just Venomized heroes who are just kind surly at worst. So the potential there is lost.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31983: Nov 9th 2023 at 5:38:01 AM

[up]That would’ve been way better. Eddie being forced to confront representations of what he used to be and what he could’ve become if not for things like his son. There’s a lot of potential in that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31984: Nov 9th 2023 at 6:00:14 AM

Yeah my ideas for those potential stories would be Eddie developing a bond with one of Peter's alternate kids like Mayday and Annie, and interacting with their parents to sort of redeem himself to them by saving their kids from other Venom's. Even have Dylan interacting with one of their kids and developing a ship-tease rapport to the awkwardness of their parents.

And the main conflict would center on Eddie encountering a Spider's Shadow Peter who never let go of the symbiote and lost himself completely. So Eddie can commit the ultimate redemption of himself by saving a Peter's soul from the symbiote. Plus it would be a cool awesome fight of Uber-Venom vs Uber-Venom, bonus if that Peter also became a King in Black in his verse.

Lotta stuff you can do there.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 9th 2023 at 6:00:40 AM

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#31985: Nov 9th 2023 at 11:12:08 AM

Yeah Spiderverse works because it's usually new. "What If Spiderman, but a punk rocker? What If Spiderman, but a pig? What if Spiderman but he's a noir era black and white detective?"

Venomverse is just "What If Venom bonded to someone else?"

The various cartoon or game or movie adaptations do better with the Venomverse concepts since they are still Venom but in different contexts.

Edited by Spirit on Nov 9th 2023 at 2:12:20 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#31986: Nov 9th 2023 at 5:45:11 PM

I like alternative Venoms that are savvy to the tropes that fit well with symbiotic possession.

Like for example, it readily lends itself to “hero with a demon sword”. You can do it in a sword and sorcery direction or with a Shonen protagonist like that recent Japanese venom.

Or like the Cute and Psycho direction of Gwenpool.

And like besides the inspired name (from poet and court wit John Skelton), I liked how Hieronymous Skelton does the “normal guy who Hulks out” thing with a symbiote wearer.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31987: Nov 10th 2023 at 5:00:26 AM

TIL there is a two part 1996 BBC radio adaptation of the first 14 or so Spider-Man issues, with the Fantastic Four in the mix as well.

This series is designated as Earth-96115.

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#31988: Nov 10th 2023 at 5:23:44 AM

[up] By fans, or in an official Marvel publication?

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31989: Nov 10th 2023 at 5:44:16 AM

[up] Not sure, but that's how it is on the wiki.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31990: Nov 10th 2023 at 7:07:42 AM

If it’s in the wiki, it’s almost assuredly official. Marvel Wiki doesn’t include fanworks.

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#31991: Nov 10th 2023 at 7:14:56 AM

Fandom.com isn't an official Marvel wiki, though, is it? And although (like This Very Wiki), it draws a distinction between fan and official sources, this page is not obviously citing anything I can check. It may be that the radio series itself mentions the Earth number, which is what it seems to be implying, but that seems odd.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31992: Nov 10th 2023 at 7:18:58 AM

Fandom.com may not be official, but they only ever use official sources and never use fanworks or fanon. That being said, Fandom.com also tends to have missing information, particularly for more obscure topics like this. I would guess that the radio show gets its designation from some sourcebook somewhere and whoever wrote that article just didn’t bother to cite it, which is bad form but its Fandom.com, it sucks ass for a lot of reasons.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31993: Nov 10th 2023 at 4:11:34 PM

Looks like this didn't get brought up.

We got a first look at the cover of issue 2 for Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man!

Enter Ultimate Green Goblin! And also Peter doing his best impression of Clark Kent?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31994: Nov 10th 2023 at 4:17:20 PM

I like how thats a decent adaptation of the armored suit from the Raimi films

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31995: Nov 10th 2023 at 5:49:20 PM

I rather like that take on Green Goblin’s suit. Like the Raimi version, but making it look similar to Iron Man’s armor in technological design. Given 6160 Norman is dead, I’m guessing Harry is Goblin here.

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#31996: Nov 10th 2023 at 6:01:57 PM

Or Norman is faking it, a popular thing for adaptations to do after he came back in 616

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#31997: Nov 10th 2023 at 6:59:21 PM

I like how thats a decent adaptation of the armored suit from the Raimi films

Right? It looks way less like a dumb Power Rangers mask. Question is, is he scarier without it on? (IYKYK. wink)

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31998: Nov 10th 2023 at 7:10:02 PM

He looks like an Armoured Kappa, to be honest.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31999: Nov 10th 2023 at 7:49:25 PM

[up] Nu-Ultimate does seem to be having a lot of Japanese/anime & manga influences scattered throughout it, like having Sunfire and his Japanese Empire as one of the major factions or Peach Momoko’s X-Men using Hisako/Armor as the viewpoint character with Momoko’s very manga-esque art. So the kappa look might be what they’re going for. Kappa are basically Japanese goblins…

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 10th 2023 at 7:50:05 AM

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#32000: Nov 10th 2023 at 8:29:30 PM

I never liked Ultimate Norman turns into a not-Hulk as the Green Goblin, so hey this is nice.

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