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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31901: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:05:16 AM

[up][up] Which I believe is why Bunn took a sabbatical from Marvel for a while.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31902: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:08:31 AM

I would too if another writer showed such blatant disrespect for my work only a few years after I left a title. I’m surprised you don’t see it more with how some writers have treated their predecessors’ work; like it’s genuinely shocking Al Ewing had the self-control to not go “what the fuck” publicly at how Donny Cates handled Hulk after he left.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 7th 2023 at 6:12:12 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31903: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:18:07 AM

Well Hulk isn't really his character and Immortal Hulk ended with all the toys back in the toybox so to speak.

Plus I think Ewing and Cates are decent collaborators together so I don't think Ewing would hold anything against him.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2023 at 6:18:16 AM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31904: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:25:46 AM

That's work for hire. God Does Not Own This World, and everyone acknowledges that Marvel can do what they want with the characters.

Best case, there's an informal agreement (as with Gaiman's Sandman work at DC), that the company won't trash the creator's stories if they want to continue working with them.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31905: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:28:20 AM

[up]True, but there’s a definite difference between “one writer doesn’t have all the say in what the next writer does with this book” and “the next writer goes out of his way to shit on the prior writer’s work”.

Admittedly, there are times where the latter actually comes off as justified because the predecessor was REALLY BAD. Which goes to show it’s a messy subject.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31906: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:53:52 AM

[up]×3

Even if it bothered him, he wouldn't say anything publicly.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#31907: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:21:37 AM

I thought Eddie's father was just neglectful and aloof. When was he established as being physically abusive as well?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31908: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:24:49 AM

I believe it's this run with the reveal that what ultimately destroyed their relationship is that Eddie accidentally killed a kid while drunk driving.

While Eddie wanted to confess his dad forced him to day he's innocent to the point of slamming his face on table in the police station to get him to agree to say it.

After that the resulting financial bills from the court cases left him bankrupt and forever resenting Eddie.

He's also a shitty grandpa since he also beats his grandson Dylan, at one point the kid is seen sporting a black eye and an armcast.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31909: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:26:07 AM

Huh, I thought Eddie's dad disowned him for ruining his own career with the Sin Eater confession.

But I guess that got retconned. Is Eddie's ex-wife still dead?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31910: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:29:47 AM

Turbo dead

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31911: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:30:54 AM

When I heard Eddie had a son, I assumed they brought back his wife.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31912: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:34:32 AM

She’s still dead, she just had the kid before she died and gave him to Eddie’s father to raise.

Though Anne is technically back in the form of the alternate universe version of the Beyond arc who kept the symbiote and became Venom full time in place of Eddie of her world.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2023 at 7:35:20 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#31913: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:39:07 AM

I guess nobody is really dead if you count the infinite multiverse

Look how many Gwens we have now

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31914: Nov 7th 2023 at 7:56:29 AM

Eddie's dad still disowned him, events in the Venom book just forced them to reconcile.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31915: Nov 7th 2023 at 8:23:00 AM

To elaborate a bit: Originally Eddie’s dad WAS just neglectful and emotionally abusive, as he resented Eddie for his wife’s death in childbirth and sought every excuse to disown him (which he took when the Sin-Eater incident happened). He was also a wealthy man. Dark Origin — amongst many other continuity errors — instead portrayed Carl as a middle class suburbanite who was still emotionally abusive. Cates retconned in physical abuse for some reason but also invented the “Eddie accidentally killed a kid while drunk driving and Carl bankrupted himself covering it up” backstory to arc weld the two contradictory portrayals of Carl.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#31916: Nov 7th 2023 at 12:28:44 PM

To elaborate a bit: Originally Eddie’s dad WAS just neglectful and emotionally abusive, as he resented Eddie for his wife’s death in childbirth and sought every excuse to disown him (which he took when the Sin-Eater incident happened). He was also a wealthy man.

It's funny how some fans dislike adaptations like the recent Insomniac game making Harry Venom when Eddie ripped off Harry's backstory and is even given the "best friend turned evil" story in some adaptations.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31917: Nov 7th 2023 at 12:32:59 PM

I personally like Insomniac making Harry into basically Spectacular Eddie Brock.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31918: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:00:35 PM

[up][up]In fairness to Eddie, his dad never became a supervillain, which practically makes Carl a saint in comparison to other abusive Marvel dads like Norman and Brian Banner.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31919: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:06:06 PM

Brian might be the worst of them all

He merged with turbo Satan to try to bodyjack his own son

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31920: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:09:49 PM

Brian takes Never My Fault to the most extreme level physically attainable by a human being. His soul is literally burning at the very bottom layer of Hell and he still maintains that he did nothing wrong, insists that he doesn’t deserve any punishment, and that he’s not evil for teaming up with two different Super-Satans to try and get back to Earth.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31921: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:10:35 PM

Who da fuck is Brian?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31922: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:12:00 PM

[up]Brian Banner, the dad of Bruce Banner and effectively the Anthropomorphic Personification of abusive fathers with how awful he is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31923: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:12:31 PM

Huh, and here I thought Thunderbolt Ross was hard enough to deal with.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31924: Nov 7th 2023 at 1:14:31 PM

Believe it or not, Ross is a Nice Guy in comparison to Brian, who is so awful that the one time the two met, Ross made abundantly clear he found Brian utterly disgusting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31925: Nov 7th 2023 at 4:16:20 PM

That time JJ became Spider-Man and it went surprisingly well

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