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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31876: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:58:01 AM

I've said before that if I could write a Spider-Man story, I'd love to explore the duality of Norman/Goblin and Peter/Spider-Man.

There's just something interesting to me about how the straight laced serious Norman Osborn dresses up in a garish Goblin outfit to act on all his suppressed murderous impulses and fails to balance his normal life and supervillain life.

Much like Spider-Man. Minus the murderous impulses of course. The quiet sometimes misanthropic kid becomes a wise cracking cocky hero.

I can't help but really be drawn to that kind of split personality.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 6th 2023 at 11:59:08 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31877: Nov 6th 2023 at 8:05:07 AM

My favorite take on the Norman/Goblin divide is always going to be the 90s Animated Series and Raimi film — and somewhat the way it was portrayed in the Lee-Romita run — where Norman isn’t a great guy and has tons of horrendous flaws himself, but the Goblin is basically an embodiment of his most evil possible self and a primal vision of him if he lacked any inhibitions or redeeming qualities whatsoever, one that bullies and torments Norman into going along with his plans than gaslights him by claiming he’s just doing what Norman would’ve if he weren’t “weak”.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 6th 2023 at 8:15:53 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31878: Nov 6th 2023 at 8:06:45 AM

Think you mean the 90s show. That's where Goblin started being portrayed as a what you just described.

Even called Norman a wimpering simp at one point. [lol]

Though personally, I prefer Norman and the Goblin to be united in what they want, but more divided over the methods.

Lee-Ditko Norman was pretty much in control of himself and didn't have a split personality.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 7th 2023 at 12:07:16 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31879: Nov 6th 2023 at 8:14:41 AM

[up]I meant Lee-Romita which was where we got more sympathetic Norman and yeah, you’re right, I’m getting stuff mixed up. Animated Series did it first.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31880: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:21:06 PM

So a random thought:

Peter should start doing online tech stuff (or maybe teaching by remote).

A much more flexible schedule so he can still do his webslinging, but if done right, he can make all the money he needs.

One Strip! One Strip!
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31881: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:28:23 PM

Peter getting a work-from-home job would probably solve, like, 95% of his financial problems, or at least make them significantly more manageable. Like, holy shit, now that you mention, it’s insane how many issues that would mitigate for Peter and how much easier it could potentially make his life. A massive load off his back by making scheduling and Spider-Man interruptions far less problematic, giving him more freedom and more financial security through a steady income he doesn’t have to constantly fret about.

That’s probably the reason it hasn’t happened yet; you can’t have Peter be a put-loser constantly losing jobs like Editorial wants if his job is the sort that his superhero stuff wouldn’t significantly interfere with.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 6th 2023 at 3:29:21 AM

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31882: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:35:44 PM

[up] IIRC, I think that's part of why original-Ultimate Peter became the webmaster for the Daily Bugle website instead of a photographer.

The other parts being the decline of print media in favor of the Internet and the obvious pun, of course.

Edited by TrashJack on Nov 6th 2023 at 6:37:13 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31883: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:45:08 PM

That was such a good idea. It really shows exactly what I was talking about. Peter got a job that allowed him to keep being Spider-Man and flex his smarts without taking him out of “Everyman” territory. Really great demonstration of how Ultimate Spider-Man was willing to break hoary old status quos like that; there, Peter didn’t get left perpetually unemployed because he can’t balance work with something he’s been doing since he was fifteen, he found a job that really worked for him and stuck to it and that was it. No more money problems, no more whining about not making rent each month. He grew up. He progressed.

Honestly if Peter has any normal person job and doesn’t do superheroics full-time, I feel like it should be either something like that — work from home jobs like being a webmaster that don’t interfere with his Spider-Man stuff at all — or him being a teacher, because the latter was just perfect too.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31884: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:48:05 PM

Work from home is one of those things that has become so much more prevalent and widely done, especially in the COVID era, that it kind of neatly lines up with Peter's life. Even if it's not permanent, it would give him some breathing room in terms of money and time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31885: Nov 6th 2023 at 3:51:05 PM

Cool moment of Eddie finally confronting his abusive father

Eddie really did get some of the best development in recent memory

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 6th 2023 at 3:51:43 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31886: Nov 6th 2023 at 4:02:54 PM

That scene was so good. While I dislike the massive Serial Escalation into a Crisis Crossover Cates’ Venom run underwent and feel like it would’ve been better as a Flash story, I won’t argue that it’s one of the best comics Venom has had EVER, and scenes like that were part of why. Eddie finally getting something resembling closure with the father who molded him into the monster he became, but also facing the fact that he was as much to blame as Carl because he made his own bad choices and behaved selfishly, plus endeavoring to be a good father to Dylan and break the chain of abuse is all just *chef’s kiss*. Beautiful development for the character.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31887: Nov 6th 2023 at 8:12:52 PM

Even more impressive cause from what I recall the prior run by Mike Costa despite bringing back Eddie as Venom wasn't very well regarded.

But Cates managed to craft an epic that gave Eddie loads of development and helped make him an all-star again. The current success of the Venom brand is in major part thanks to his great run on the character.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31888: Nov 6th 2023 at 8:25:19 PM

[up]Yeah, the Costa run was really bad and an edgy mess that spent most of its time on an insufferable Creator's Pet called Lee Price rather than Eddie and even when it brought Eddie back it was clearly a synergy thing. Donny’s run was leagues better.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31889: Nov 6th 2023 at 9:17:25 PM

Plus it threw Flash under the bus after all his Character Development and kept all his open plotlines Left Hanging

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31890: Nov 6th 2023 at 9:27:25 PM

Y'know, Venom had a ton of miniseries in the '90s, but he only got an ongoing in 2003... and it was canceled on a Bolivian Army Cliffhanger that every subsequent writer has ignored. It's still unresolved. [lol]

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31891: Nov 6th 2023 at 9:29:22 PM

Was that the Daniel Way run with the Venom clone?

[up][up] It’s unfortunate how Andi lost Mania there so Price could become Maniac.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 6th 2023 at 9:29:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#31892: Nov 6th 2023 at 9:33:12 PM

[up] For all of like, 2 issues.

So even that was a bust.

#IceBearForPresident
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31893: Nov 6th 2023 at 10:11:16 PM

She's Silence now right? Of course I don't think she's reappeared since she's become Silence.

Plus Flash in comic book limbo after Savage Avengers I think.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#31894: Nov 6th 2023 at 10:20:22 PM

Yeah. And Andi did get an appearance to have a crack at Carnage.

Unfortunately this was in the middle of one of Carnage's minis, so she got beat even with the "Anti" boost.

#IceBearForPresident
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31895: Nov 6th 2023 at 10:21:07 PM

Said comic was Death of the Venomverse

Luckily she’s still alive I think

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31896: Nov 6th 2023 at 11:57:04 PM

I'll be honest, I hate Silence's design, or at least how little personalization there is from the host. Kind of a step down from Mania overall. I dunno why they love the long haired look for female symbiotes. [lol]

Edited by alekos23 on Nov 6th 2023 at 9:57:23 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31897: Nov 7th 2023 at 12:03:22 AM

I do like how apparently Death if Venomverse kills off all the composite hero Venom alternates from the first Venomverse title. tongue

I most definitely approve of that, the story concept should have always focused on actual Venom related characters.

Jesus imagine if Spider-Verse instead of Peni Parker or Spidey Noir or Spidey-Ham was about Spider Rocket Raccon or Spider Iron Man?

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2023 at 12:03:31 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31898: Nov 7th 2023 at 12:05:12 AM

I heard RYV MJ was there. What did she do? I imagine it must have been an interesting scenario to get caught up in since THAT Eddie wasn't the one who tried to kill her daughter but still traumatized her.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31899: Nov 7th 2023 at 5:45:46 AM

Poor Andi. One of the best parts of the Remender/Bullen run with a fantastic design and great dynamic with Flash and now she’s been so totally fucked over in every conceivable way and sent off on a bus.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31900: Nov 7th 2023 at 6:00:05 AM

Even more impressive cause from what I recall the prior run by Mike Costa despite bringing back Eddie as Venom wasn't very well regarded.

I remember people being upset that Lee Price too Andi's symbiote.


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