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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31851: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:59:07 PM

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The Incredibles is set in a liability nightmare alternate reality

In fairness, both of those movies are set before Good Samaritan laws were a thing (and, as the first movie's Fridge page points out, they're set after the Federal Tort Claims Act was enacted, thus allowing people to sue the US federal government for reasons other than negligence and discrimination [previously the only exceptions to the federal government's sovereign immunity]; the Supers were government-backed, thus the government got sued along with the Supers, which led to the setting's ban against the Supers).

Edited by TrashJack on Nov 5th 2023 at 9:00:25 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31852: Nov 5th 2023 at 6:59:21 PM

Huh! My mistake then, they actually did their research!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31853: Nov 5th 2023 at 7:46:51 PM

The Incredibles is set in a liability nightmare alternate reality: the past

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#31854: Nov 5th 2023 at 9:23:19 PM

Had there ever been a What If where MJ worked for SHIELD or some other law enforcement/intelligence agency?

Black Widow being a spy, having a spider motif and also being a redhead inspired this idea.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 5th 2023 at 6:28:17 PM

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31855: Nov 5th 2023 at 9:38:57 PM

No but it sounds interesting.

Also just bring out some Clone Saga ones like What If Ben Reilly had been the surviving Spider-Man? Yeah divergence being SM #75.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#31856: Nov 5th 2023 at 9:42:10 PM

Seems the latest letter-bombing campaign from fans has annoyed Brevoort

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31857: Nov 5th 2023 at 11:51:16 PM

It seems he's mainly annoyed about people sending MCU related e-mails to the comic side of things, when it's not their department.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31858: Nov 6th 2023 at 12:16:57 AM

okay hear me out

I can actually understand sueing Mr. Incredible for saving your life

Because being injured probably left him with completely crippling medical debt that he may not be able to escape due to a) not being able to kill himself due to his injuries, or b) even if he did kill himself now, the medical debt would move onto a loved one

In which case Mr. Incredible legitimately made things worse for him

Edited by Saiga on Nov 6th 2023 at 12:17:50 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31859: Nov 6th 2023 at 12:18:53 AM

That does make sense but the movie def wouldn't delve into that because the politics of the director and too dark for kids.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#31860: Nov 6th 2023 at 1:00:04 AM

"Was it Civil War, with the heroes getting the blame for blowing up that town rather than the exploding villain who was blatantly the actual culprit?" In fairness, a lot of people died, on TV because a few people tried to take down supervillains in a residential area as part of a ratings grab. The fact that it was part of a TV show made the New Warriors look like glory hogs. Doing it in a residential area made them look reckless. It gave the impression that they didn't really care if they were putting anyone else at risk. Especially since the villains were not actively engaged in any violent crimes when it happened.

The Warriors actually did handle things mostly fine, though Namorita really shouldn't have knocked Nitro in the direction of a school. They had no way of knowing that Nitro had boosted his power, and if he was at his normal strength, they probably would've been able to subdue the whole group of villains without any serious collateral damage.

But, he wasn't at his normal strength. So, they looked like reckless jackasses who didn't know what they were getting into, and chose to start a brawl with dangerous supervillains in the middle of a residential area, for the sake of TV ratings.

Yeah, no shit people blamed them for that.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31861: Nov 6th 2023 at 1:07:44 AM

NGL, after watching the Boys, that def sounds like something the seven would do if they ever had to fight actual supervillains.

Though I remember Wolverine uncovered that Nitro was given drugs to destroy Stanford as a supervillain plot.

And that went nowhere.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31862: Nov 6th 2023 at 1:07:58 AM

It was also noted that Coldheart fought Spider-Man a while ago and Speedfreak almost took down the Hulk. Microbe wanted to leave them alone, but Speedball convinced everyone to stay and fight for the ratings.

They were doing well in the fight, though, until Nitro exploded.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 6th 2023 at 4:08:31 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31863: Nov 6th 2023 at 2:01:38 AM

[up][up] A supervillain plot? I thought it was a plot by the government to give them the impetus to create the registration act

edit: wait no it was Damage Control

Edited by Saiga on Nov 6th 2023 at 2:05:50 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31864: Nov 6th 2023 at 5:40:29 AM

[up]Yeah, Damage Control had a corrupt new CEO who was deliberately engineering supervillain incidents for them to fix to pad the company’s wallet, and the Destruction of Stamford was just the time it went too far. Wolverine finds out and takes the guy down.

I think it says a lot about how unimportant the Stamford incident actually was to the plot of Civil War though, that Wolverine — a guy otherwise totally uninvolved with the event — was the only person who said “wait shouldn’t somebody try and figure out why Nitro was suddenly so much stronger?”.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31865: Nov 6th 2023 at 6:10:07 AM

Didn't they also have the pro registration side recruit villains forcefully which also explains what the bad guys are doing during all these hero vs hero events.

Norman Osborn became head of thunderbolts because of this event IIRC.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31866: Nov 6th 2023 at 6:29:54 AM

Nope. Norman became head of HAMMER because he killed the Skrull queen during Secret Invasion. Which is a much worse explanation.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31867: Nov 6th 2023 at 6:32:51 AM

With his special Skrull killing gun that didn’t even kill her

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31868: Nov 6th 2023 at 6:36:11 AM

Wait, correction, I forgot Norman’s first Thunderbolts team came up in Civil War, not Dark Reign.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31869: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:12:50 AM

Yeah, that's the start of when Green Goblin took long breaks from the Spider-Man corner of the universe.

Legit, the next time he had a major Spider-Man storyline as the big bad was in Superior. On the topic of Thunderbolts, I am planning on adding it to my reading list since I like the idea supervillains forced to work for the government and hunt down heroes.

Suicide Squad just doesn't do it for me.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 6th 2023 at 11:13:58 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31870: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:21:56 AM

The Warren Ellis Thunderbolts run with Venom (Gargan), Osborn and Steel Spider (previously Spider-Kid / Kid Ock) is pretty good.

That comes with the caveat that Ellis himself is problematic due to later news about his behaviour. But the comic is well crafted.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31871: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:22:52 AM

Yeah, that’s why I’m hesitant, Ellis is a piece of shit.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31872: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:23:15 AM

[up][up][up]The four Thunderbolts runs to read are the Kurt Busiek Post-Onslaught run (which doesn’t use the Boxed Crook gimmick), the Warren Ellis Civil War run, the Andy Diggle Dark Reign run, and the Jeff Parker Heroic Age run. Those are the best, everything else can be gladly ignored.

Ellis is indeed a dickhead, but compared to some other dickheads he’s on the lower end of the scale. To my memory, even a lot of the people he wronged felt like he wasn’t that bad and said they wanted him to get better rather than be punished, and to his credit when he was exposed and called out, he just owned up to his mistakes and apologized and promised he would be putting effort into trying to better himself. In any case I despise most of his work BECAUSE his dickishness bleeds into the writing, but his Thunderbolts and Moon Knight runs are my two big exceptions.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 6th 2023 at 7:26:44 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31873: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:47:47 AM

Yeah, I remember the Thunderbolts originated as supervillains pretending to be heroes and then realizing they actually enjoy being heroes. I only know Songbird from MUA 2.

Goblin's tenure on the team does sound like a wild time though, that's when they really focused on Norman and Gobby being two different personalities like the Raimi movies.

But they keep Norman a terrible person so that's fun.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31874: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:48:26 AM

Honestly, there was a better story there with the Pro-Registration side where Tony was attempting to mitigate damage as much as humanly possible while the public rode a tide of violent bigotry against heroes and giving the government too much authority.

And yeah, you could easily have looked at the New Warriors actions as better than it seemed as they wanted to get Nitro AWAY from a school district.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31875: Nov 6th 2023 at 7:54:58 AM

[up][up] Norman as head of the Thunderbolts programme manages to be a terrible, and sometimes chilling, person. And the Goblin, when we see him, is portrayed as properly terrifying.


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