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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31826: Nov 5th 2023 at 11:37:30 AM

Lmao, fair.

I’m imagining a court in the Marvel Universe where a lawyer is arguing a man who happened to be a mutant should get the death sentence for performing CPR on a dying person because in the process the rescuer broke some ribs — which is supposed to happen — and the judge instead of laughing the lawyer out of court is like “no wait, let’s hear him out”.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31827: Nov 5th 2023 at 11:43:25 AM

There are a couple of states where you can get into trouble if you fuck up while trying to help out.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#31828: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:07:18 PM

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I mean, Marvel law enforcement fakes crime to draw teenage superheroes out of hiding, goes at teenagers trying to rescue people from a flash floods with attack helicopters and shock prods, and thinks nothing about incarcerating them without a trial or access to a lawyer or even letting them contact their parents.

Marvel law is weirdly draconian when there needs to be an antagonist.

Edited by reppuzan on Nov 5th 2023 at 1:08:20 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31829: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:11:29 PM

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Sort of like GOTHAM CITY: NO MAN'S LAND, the ridiculousness of the premise works pretty well as satire once you put superhero=minority. Which was that DC got deluged at the ridiculousness of a major American city being abandoned after a natural disaster right before Hurricane Katrina.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 5th 2023 at 1:11:52 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#31830: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:14:13 PM

Makes you wonder what the arguments to not overthrowing the government are.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31831: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:16:50 PM

And of course those same Marvel cops and judges probably go home after a nice day of burning mutants at the stake and spank the monkey to the video of Hazmat getting showered with Mettle's innards, which you just know is still on YouTube.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31832: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:25:04 PM

It's always funny that trope of law enforcement being more competent when hunting down heroes instead of villains

Like how Incredibles and Dark Knight Returns features the heroes being forced into retirement with no mention of who the villains are dealt with

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31833: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:25:05 PM

[up][up] God damn

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 5th 2023 at 3:25:45 AM

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31834: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:28:48 PM

[up] That video is explicitly mentioned to be the most popular one on YouTube in the MU.

Apologies for the possibly-not-very-tasteful allegory, but the heroes continuing to try to rescue these people has officially reached going-back-to-an-abusive-spouse levels of futility for me.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31835: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:29:07 PM

[up][up][up][up]That’s so fucking dark I feel bad for laughing. God, Avengers Arena/Undercover was fucking terrible. Its so fucking disgusting and badly written.

[up][up][up]That shit always annoys me. Like, motherfuckers, I don’t care how much you hate superhumans for God knows what reason, one would think the cops and government would rather leave the heroes alone so THEY aren’t the ones getting slaughtered when the supervillains are rampaging.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 5th 2023 at 1:30:08 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31836: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:31:19 PM

It's annoying how they never answer what happens to the villains.

Like I can get why Joker retires after Batman disappears, but why would Penguin or Scarecrow?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31837: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:34:56 PM

You know, as much as I like joking (well, half-joking) about Marvel Civilians surpassing the actual villains in monstrosity... I actually don't know where that impression of them came from originally. Was it Civil War, with the heroes getting the blame for blowing up that town rather than the exploding villain who was blatantly the actual culprit?

If nothing else it was well established by World War Hulk the following year; feeling the Hulk actually deserves to conquer Earth was probably the most common opinion on that arc I recall seeing.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#31838: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:38:41 PM

Somewhere with them not seeing anything wrong with... like every anti-mutant program ever, for one.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31839: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:44:45 PM

[up][up]The New Warriors were definitely at fault for hosting s reality show for some reason. What was up with that?

At least Peter quit being a TV star when he became a Superhero.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31840: Nov 5th 2023 at 1:50:42 PM

That reality show retool of New Warriors was SO godawful. I hate it so much. It singlehandedly allowed Millar to get away with slaughtering the New Warriors like that in Civil War, and given New Warriors are one of my favorite Marvel teams/heroes, that pisses me off so bad.

But yeah, the hatred of Marvel Civilians mostly comes from X-Men and the tendency of really bad writers to exaggerate the Fantastic Racism to obnoxious, cartoonish, and Anvilicious extremes for the sake of preaching to the reader. It ended up creating the image to some angry readers of everyone except the superheroes and those directly related to them being hyper-bigoted and ungrateful sociopaths who tormented superheroes and innocent superhumans but then expected them to save them whenever trouble happened and then immediately went right back to hating and fearing them as they were being rescued.

I’ll never forget how in an early issue of Ultimate X-Men, Ice Man’s introduction has him saving a crowd from a Sentinel on the rampage terrorizing the public… and the very nanosecond after he does so, the crowd that owes him his life starts trying to lynch him. After they had just watched him kill a giant robot with ice.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 5th 2023 at 1:52:56 AM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31841: Nov 5th 2023 at 2:27:35 PM

Yeah but that was the old Ultimate Universe. Everyone there was an asshole except, fittingly enough, Spider-Man. Also Thor.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31842: Nov 5th 2023 at 2:34:13 PM

Tony was also pretty nice actually.

He was just easily manipulated into Fury's war on terror cause of his guilt complex.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
Comedy guy
#31843: Nov 5th 2023 at 4:42:49 PM

The previous talk about the public hating the heroes by failures outside of their control reminds me of the start of "The incredibles" when a guy trying to suicide by throwing himself out of a building is saved by Mr. Incredible, only for him to sue him for hurting his neck, which lead into a chain of other lawsuits and protest that got all heroing banned.

So yeah, I could see plenty blaming, wanting to incarcerate and trying to give life sentence (or worse) to Spider-Man for "participating" in the death of Gwen Stacy, considering what i have heard about Marvel civilians in the past.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#31844: Nov 5th 2023 at 4:44:31 PM

Also memes aside. Ultimate Cap actually does lighten up as the series went along.

Everyone else uh not so much....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31845: Nov 5th 2023 at 4:52:53 PM

At least Peter quit being a TV star when he became a Superhero

He actually got fired because Jameson tanked his reputation

Peter was so hard up for money earlier on that he definitely would have kept performing

I am surprised that Peter never got into Thing’s super duper superpowers wrestling league thing

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 5th 2023 at 7:53:52 AM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31846: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:04:51 PM

[up]Yeah, lol, considering Peter regularly tried (and still sometimes tries) to use his powers to get rich quick as long as it doesn’t expose his identity, he wouldn’t quit a job to focus on being a hero, let alone as potentially profitable as a TV career… though considering how badly some indie wrestling can pay, he probably dodged a bullet.

[up][up][up]It’s ironic that you cite the Incredibles example because suing someone for saving your life like that actually illegal in the United States in real life. It’s the entire reason Good Samaritan laws exist, to prevent the occasional sleazebag who thinks to try something like that from doing it. Especially in a case like the one in the movie where the guy was attempting suicide, since suicide is, y’know, illegal, so that would be like suing someone because they stopped you from committing a crime you were attempting. So in reality, the dude would’ve been laughed out of court and follow-up lawsuits of similar nature against superheroes probably wouldn’t be entertained either.

Edit: Correction, suicide isn’t a felony in parts of the United States today but it WAS considered a felony through most of the US at the time Incredibles takes place (the 60s) if I recall correctly.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 5th 2023 at 5:08:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31847: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:06:10 PM

Man someone there really had a bone to pick with superheroes then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31848: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:09:38 PM

The Incredibles is set in a liability nightmare alternate reality

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31849: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:34:28 PM

To be fair, every kind of frivolous lawsuit you can think of has probably been tried in RL.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#31850: Nov 5th 2023 at 5:47:48 PM

In the U.S., you can sue anybody for any reason you want. If it's frivolous, the case will get tossed out, and if it's particularly egregious, I think maybe some sort of fine can be levied, but that's not the same thing as saying you can't do it.


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