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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31676: Nov 2nd 2023 at 2:41:48 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, I dislike Carnage being bigged up to a cosmic level because it hurts both him and the cosmic beings he’s targeting. Him by making him look like a Joker-esque Creator's Pet who constantly wins against things that should instantly obliterate him, them because it demeans the significance of those beings in the MU’s cosmology. Gods and angels and demons shouldn’t be something easily killed by B-List Spider-Man rogues.

Just as an example of a scene showing the opposite of this that I loved; that one scene where Carnage first died (and should’ve stayed dead tbh) where he was ripped in half by Sentry in space. It was brutal and shocking, but it also made sense with the power levels and was a suitable way for Carnage to go out as a character (by finally picking the wrong fight and being on the receiving end of his own breed of sadism). If Carnage had somehow magically slaughtered Sentry like in his current run, I’d have hated it.

[up][up]Also very well said. I absolutely LOVE comics that engage in tons of Arc Welding and Continuity Porn to build a coherent story out of disparate elements from throughout the years like Cates’ run did. And it’s weird Ewing’s run doesn’t seem interested in doing it as much as Cates did, considering Ewing is basically synonymous with that sort of thing. We did get Symbiote Flexo and the proper cosmology of the King In Black/Ebony Kings now connected with the Beyonders/Ivory Kings, but other than that, there’s been sadly little exploiting dangling threads or long-unused characters to build something new.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 2nd 2023 at 2:44:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31677: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:00:10 PM

I'll say it is funny how Venom regardless is doing a lot better than Peter's stuff. tongue

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31678: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:00:51 PM

Yeah, Venom actually has a child he gets to go on adventures with.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31679: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:01:14 PM

Oof

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#31680: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:01:42 PM

Pretty much everyone is doing better than Peter, really.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31681: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:02:05 PM

Lol, yeah, that’ll always amuse me too. Especially when you consider how terrifying and mind-rending Eddie’s experiences for most of Ewing’s run were and yet his life is STILL better than Peter’s right now because he’s climbing his back up and isn’t being actively humiliated and emasculated every week.

Edited by immortaleditor on Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:02:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31682: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:03:14 PM

Yeah Eddie managed to eventually fight back and kick some major ass, even learning how to retain symbiote abilities in human form.

Finally gave Bedlam some major payback for everything that happened.

Eddie's great.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:03:58 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31683: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:10:50 PM

Venom got the last laugh over Spider-Man.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#31684: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:11:55 PM

Peter is just Al Bundy with superpowers now...but somehow even more pathetic. Pretty much everyone's life is better...except for maybe Ben...

Edited by knightstorm on Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:13:38 AM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#31685: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:15:21 PM

[up][up] Though honestly at this point I doubt Eddie would gloat about it and instead want to try to help Peter...not that he'd be allowed the chance given the executives.

raykoda16 Volunteer Vexilologist from Between here and there Since: Apr, 2019
Volunteer Vexilologist
#31686: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:15:42 PM

That sort of hypocrisy is omnipresent on reddit where I read, so I got a bit rattled.

Still true, btw. Eddie as god of the symbiotes is a perfect evolution of the character, and putting him back on the streets would be a step backwards. And we have Dylan.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31687: Nov 2nd 2023 at 3:59:26 PM

[up][up]Frankly at this point, I think it’s best we just pretend “Chasm” is Spidercide in disguise and has been the entire time and the real Ben is just chilling in Heaven. For his sake.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31688: Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:03:07 PM

At the very least I'm glad Eddie is currently in a great place.

Sure some of the symbiote stuff is overexposed and unfocused, but the Venom brand has never been higher.

Thank you Donny Cates, I wish him all the wellness especially in his recovery from his accident.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#31689: Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:27:18 PM

The Green Goblin used a flying broom in his first appearance, did it ever return?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31690: Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:37:35 PM

I think Jack O’Lantern stole it

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#31691: Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:45:23 PM

[up]Which one?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31692: Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:51:50 PM

I mean, "Evil Beast" is a terrible character and should be changed because it's awful and no one likes it.

He's the "Loser Pete" of his character's history.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 2nd 2023 at 4:52:11 AM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31693: Nov 2nd 2023 at 5:29:08 PM

[up]Very much agree. Its not even that I inherently object to Beast becoming evil, it’s that the writing for it fucking sucks because he loses a million IQ points upon becoming evil and everyone else looks even stupider because they just let him do this Stupid Evil shit unabated until it’s far too late.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#31694: Nov 2nd 2023 at 6:51:00 PM

There actually was an evil Beast from the Age of Apocalypse timeline that came to 616. He was far more interesting as a villain.

Edited by knightstorm on Nov 2nd 2023 at 6:51:15 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31695: Nov 2nd 2023 at 6:54:04 PM

Mr. Sinister apparently had his head in a jar.

Quote Sinister:

Quiet Dark Beast. You aren't even the darkest Beast anymore.

[lol]

....why are we talking about Beast in the Spiderman thread? Like, don't get me wrong, I want Hank back to normal as well, but...

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#31696: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:11:26 PM

I kinda like how Hobgoblin stole Green Goblin's "new" gear with the glider while Jack O Lantern stole Goblin's "old" gear with the broomstick.

Everyone's nipping at Norman's heels.

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raykoda16 Volunteer Vexilologist from Between here and there Since: Apr, 2019
Volunteer Vexilologist
#31697: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:13:22 PM

Well you've got at least one dissenting voice. Here's me advocating for Kissinger Beast:

One, he's been on this track for a while, ever since the Legacy Virus. We know that Beast has the capability of being like this because of Dark Beast. And Krakoa being what it is, everyone's being the worst versions of themselves.

The thing is, he's so convinced and eager to jump in this role as CIA head that he's unaware that in reality, he is not made for it. He wants to believe that he is doing the dark shit so that mutantkind can sleep at night because that's the role Krakoa almost made for him. Instead it's a fucked up imposition created by Krakoa. Like everyone and everything else on Krakoa, he got so into the project that he forgot what he actually is.

The shit he did with Wolverine? 100% all his fault. He took Logan and fucked with him because that's what bad guys do, and he is totally a bad guy. And then it all exploded in his face, and he just sank deeper into the character to justify it. He's like a character actor, too deep in the role, or a comedian who has taken the schtick way too far. He's kind of pathetic.

And then everyone else on Krakoa eats it up because "they are having the exact same problem too". Xavier doesn't want to call him out, because guess what, he's doing some heinous crap for the same reasons.

The reason Krakoa-era books are so "good" are because the characters in them and their morals are so "bad".

Edited by raykoda16 on Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:15:45 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31698: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:22:45 PM

Plus, Dark Beast isn't any more an insight into Hank's personality than Cyclops and Havok being Mr. Sinister's sons.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31699: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:23:16 PM

They're his WH- oh age of apocalypse?

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#31700: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:35:48 PM

....why are we talking about Beast in the Spiderman thread? Like, don't get me wrong, I want Hank back to normal as well, but...

Like or hate Krakoa-era X-Men, they've had a bunch of character development. It's a fun tangent before we reach back around to discussing how Peter Parked In Life sucks.


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