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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
The current editorial seem to think the worst thing that could happen to Peter is no longer being a teenager. When in truth the worst thing that could happen to him was OMD. The character is basically Al Bundy with superpowers...he peaked in high school and it's all been downhill ever since. It's like the editorial went through a mid life crisis...and are living vicariously through Peter.
Edited by knightstorm on Nov 1st 2023 at 6:27:12 AM
What's interesting, and doubly weird is that the really hard Status Quo Is God policies of the Quesada/Perlmutter era have largely been left behind for the rest of the Marvel Universe (Jubilee, for instance, was introduced as an almost painfully "hip wit da kidz dawg" character and she's a mom now), but it's been maintained for Peter for... some reason. Resulting in the aforementioned impression that time itself passes slower for him than everybody else, which is honestly kind of horrifying tbh... especially since Marvel has no shortage of entities that could actually make that sort of thing happen.
When they stated "Spider-Man was about youth"...that really said it all. Spider-Man was about responsibility...that's literally part of his famous catchphrase. The only time I can think of that Spider-Man was about youth...was when the Vulture drained him of his youth to make himself young in "Lifetheft".
Maybe Peter is a temporal anomaly due to Mephisto's magic? His timeline was already demonically altered...so it would fit. He's now in his own personal Hell...which sums up the current run perfectly.
Edited by knightstorm on Nov 1st 2023 at 6:35:59 AM
Jubilee should remain a vampire. That would fix everything.
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Franklin Richards: "You didn't even bother to get me a stinkin' card for my birthday, Uncle Peter. Just for that, I think I'll rewrite the universe so that both Valeria and me retroactively become older than you, even though much of Val's history is built on Doc Ock hating you so much he couldn't stop her from being stillborn in time."
Edited by TrashJack on Nov 1st 2023 at 9:40:10 AM
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's DictionaryMy best friend once described Spider-Editorial as a group of people who only know of Spider-Man through a single out-of-context, half-remembered page of Peter in high school during the 60s, but also seem to believe that seeing that page was the one moment in their entire lives that they experienced human emotions and thus that is the only manner in which Spider-Man should or even can be presented and anyone who suggests otherwise is a piece of shit who just wants to personally deny them their happiness.
That sounds frighteningly plausible. This situation can't be looked at from a logical standpoint...because none of their arguments in defense of their position uses logic. Every stated reason for OMD from "BND will bring in tons of newer younger readers" to "a single Spider-Man has more story potential" have been disproven. Those tons of new readers never came...and the stories that required a single Spider-Man (which basically amounted to him dating) were told within a few months of BND.
Edited by knightstorm on Nov 1st 2023 at 6:46:49 AM
I don't think there's actually a bad argument to be made for keeping Spider-Man young. Stan Lee said that Marvel comics was not about change but "the illusion of change." Spider-Man is something that is meant to appeal to generation after generation of fans. It was true for teenagers in the Sixties and should be true for teenagers in the New Teens. Superman was someone who existed in my grandfather's time and will hopefully be someone who is great in my grandniece's time.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I mean it makes sense factoring in how some are stuck on the idea that marriage is mainly for a rite of passage and making babies.
It isn't for everyone to be fair as far as happiness goes.
Problem is many went ahead with marriage whether it was a poor choice in a partner, it wasn't for them or they did so mainly for approval from well red shirts.
And rather than conceding that they made a poor choice they just speak of marriage as a trap/scam.
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The "illusion of change" argument doesn't work when, as stated previously, the rest of the Marvel Universe IS changing. Characters age, change, move on from things, and it doesn't work to do all that but say "but not Spider-Man".
Especially not when there are other Spider-Men around to tell those stories that it's apparently so crucial to keep Peter young to tell. Between Ben, Miles, Miguel bopping back to the past, the constant going back to Superior, hell even Kaine, there's plenty of characters to fill any Spider-Man story niche you want.
OR, if a writer is absolutely insistent that a story requires both Peter Parker and for him to be a single miserable loser (which does not seem to have ever been the case but even if it was)... THERE IS A LITERAL MULTIVERSE. SET THE STORY IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Or, if you're afraid people won't tune in for that, earlier on the timeline. They already do that!
Edited by Khfan429 on Nov 1st 2023 at 7:04:41 AM
Yeah, it’d be one thing if ALL the Marvel heroes were going through stuff like that, but they’re not. Spider-Man is the exception, not the rule, and the exception didn’t come into effect until OMD; prior to that, Peter did age and change. There was no illusion, we watched as he actually physically grew from a scrawny teenager to a man pushing thirty. They’re actively destroying the comic’s progress and development to try and reset it back to the 60s and 70s… the sort of attitude that Spider-Man comics used to mock and deride as dumb (anyone remember the original Clone Saga which was all about accusing people who wanted Peter back in the teenage years and Gwen revived as a saintly one true love of being pathetic creeps who peaked in high school, representing them with a Dirty Old Man who lusted after one of his students?).
Plus the fact that they have all these other Spiders to use for whatever kind of story they want to tell, but they don’t care about them. They only want Peter and Peter alone, because he’s the only one who’s “just like me frfr” to them.
Or accept the fact that they have Miles now and just use him for Teen Spider-man stories.
Like, there was a market for Teenage Peter Parker stories back in the day (it's what lead to the original Ultimate Spider Man comic, The Spectacular Spider-Man series, and they the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series).
That time is gone. It died the moment Miles came into existence and they started crossing him over in the 616. There's no point to Teenage Peter Parker stories anymore. Marvel needs to accept this.
One Strip! One Strip!It's rather ironic when you think about it. They've gone to such lengths to force the "young single loser" vision of Spider-Man in ASM...and yet to the general public...Peter is an experienced hero who is typically with MJ...sometimes even with kids(gasps)...and Miles is the teenage Spider-Man. The Insomniac games and Spiderverse movies have left an indelible impression...and ASM is just off brand and completely out of touch. Everything the current editorial has rejected...has been embraced by the audience they swore that OMD/BND would appeal to.
Edited by knightstorm on Nov 1st 2023 at 8:26:05 AM

Hell, the fourth generation of Xavier's students, the Academy X crew, have reached their twenties now!