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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31376: Oct 25th 2023 at 11:08:42 AM

[up][up]It’s JMS, one of the best Spidey writers, so naturally he’s great. Funny and goofy, but he actually talks his age and interacts with Cap like the longtime friend, equal, and colleague he’s supposed to be instead like a dweebish manchild.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 25th 2023 at 11:09:09 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#31377: Oct 26th 2023 at 2:45:09 PM

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/ultimate-spider-man-1-peter-parker-mary-jane-watson-couple-married-family

Ultimate spider-man is indeed Peter Parker who is in his 30s? and he is married to mj and has two kids with her.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#31378: Oct 26th 2023 at 2:55:16 PM

Now there is a Spidey-book I wanna read.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31379: Oct 26th 2023 at 2:56:31 PM

That's a cool direction to take Ultimate Spider-Man.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31380: Oct 26th 2023 at 2:56:56 PM

I sadly can't touch anything in the new Ultimate universe. It's not the real thing and was advertised as a reboot of the old one.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#31381: Oct 26th 2023 at 2:59:59 PM

The old one still exists. Its just on fire. Just wait for the inevitable new ultimstes vs old ultimates event.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31382: Oct 26th 2023 at 3:01:40 PM

Besides we got the new shinier universe, who needs the old one. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31383: Oct 26th 2023 at 3:03:26 PM

It seems this Peter is starting his super hero career as an adult.

[up]×3

It was advertised as a new beginning.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 26th 2023 at 6:04:19 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#31384: Oct 26th 2023 at 3:07:37 PM

Yeah, this is an Ultimate relaunch in the sense of the original mission statement of a universe new readers can jump into without worrying about continuity, just with hopefully less early 2000s edginess this time.

If this were the old Ultimate universe they'd, like, make Kamala a terrorist or something.

Edited by lbssb on Oct 26th 2023 at 6:10:11 AM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31385: Oct 26th 2023 at 3:13:07 PM

The trend of every Spider-Man story other than the main 616 continuity shitting on OMD continues.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#31386: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:23:46 PM

[up][up] You say you're joking about Kamala being made a terrorist, but let's be real, that is the sort of stupid wannabe-edgelord bullshit that Millar would have done, if there had been any Muslim superheroes back then.

In all seriousness, fuck the original Ultimate Universe, it had so much garbage in it and was not worth preserving. A fresh start was absolutely the right way to go.

As for the "false advertising," from the time it was announced, I got the impression that it wasn't just going to be the old universe, so I don't think calling it false advertising is accurate. Remember when they did that newuniversal thing in the mid-'00s? This is the same situation, using the original version as an inspiration, rather than continuing from it.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31387: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:41:51 PM

Seconding the need for a fresh start.

Partly because Ultimate Marvel changed its status quo so much, and largely became a trashfire - you'd need some sort of reset button anyway, and then you complicate the jumping-on point for new readers.

Partly because it exists as an alternative to the 616 stories and they're in a very different place now due to One More Day and everything that followed, some of which seemed to be reacting to Ultimate's success.

A take that reflects the Spider-Verse approach to an older Peter and appeals to fans who like Peter and MJ as a married couple sounds good.

(And yes, agreed about Ms. Marvel. Remember Millar turning an Iranian teen into a super-soldier supervillain, as an edgy post-9/11 comment, in Ultimates? I don't think he'd have handled an American muslim teen much better)

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#31388: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:44:51 PM

Yeah, my thought process for that joke was "what's the most tasteless, offensive, awful thing I can think of that the Ultimate universe could do with a character that didn't exist during the initial run?" knowing that they'd probably actually have done it if she was around then.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31389: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:46:26 PM

Miller would definitely have made one of Kamala's family a terrorist at the very least.

Like the guy went all in on making Hank a flat-out abuser, nothing is too far for him.

Reminder DC had to put their foot down on his Authority run because some of his ideas were flat-out repulsive.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 26th 2023 at 4:47:30 AM

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31390: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:49:36 PM

Maybe this Ultimate Universe will be happier and more hopeful than the mainline instead. tongue

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#31391: Oct 26th 2023 at 4:51:55 PM

[up][up] And then Jeph Loeb decided to one-up that in Ultimatum by making Ultimate Blob a cannibal who eats the Wasp on-panel.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31392: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:00:47 PM

Yeah, Millar is ass and the original Ultimate Universe was ass too, aside from Ultimate Spider-Man and some of Hickman’s ideas.

The whole “fresh start for new readers free of continuity” idea feels oxymoronic though. Inevitably if this goes on long enough, it’s gonna develop its own arcane continuity, just as the original Ultimate Universe eventually did.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31393: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:03:54 PM

I mean thats basically anything.

Continuity isn't the problem its more accessibility. If its a bunch of ongoings that are easy to keep track of its not really an issue keeping track of it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#31394: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:32:54 PM

This book sounds like the "Anti-OMD" book of my dreams. cool

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31395: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:47:11 PM

Well for those of us were fans of the Ultimate universe and appreciated it was the Game of Thrones versus Marvel's Dragonlance, the setting was utterly shit on and ruined by writers who didn't respect the characters and deserved to be ridiculed for the trashfire they made of a fantastic shared artistic achievement.

For those of us, the thought they were going to bring it back and reverse the damage they'd done was a breath of fresh air and an acknowledgement they'd done the fans who loved the Ultimate universe dirty.

But no, just another shameless cash crab and cheating fans of their hard earned lucre.

And yes, I am bitter.

I can't even enjoy it because the "real" Ultimate Spider-Man is still dead along with the rest of the universe.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 26th 2023 at 5:48:54 AM

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PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#31396: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:47:54 PM

The weird thing is that the set-up mini was really convoluted and established a status quo which is already very different to real world, so it’s not super new reader friendly in contrast to the beginning of the first ultimate universe

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31397: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:50:47 PM

[up] I'm reasonably sure we've got more changes coming up, which will either move the action to an Alternate Timeline or to another Alternate Universe. I don't expect the Maker's current radically altered world, with its superhumans as the world powers, to be the starting status quo for the ongoing stories.

Edited by Mrph1 on Oct 26th 2023 at 1:51:07 PM

PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#31398: Oct 26th 2023 at 5:56:42 PM

Yeah that probably makes sense. The first issue comes out soon so that should give us an idea what we’re working with

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31399: Oct 26th 2023 at 6:11:22 PM

Oh well, I'll try and give it a chance but I really dislike how so many people seem to have nothing but insults for the Ultimate universe these days. It was very important to getting me and a lot of others back into comics.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31400: Oct 26th 2023 at 6:17:02 PM

The upcoming comics do seem to be using the stuff Hickman established for this setting.

For instance Ultimate Black Panther's plot involves BP combating the new Ultimate Moon Knight who is most likely under the command of Lord Ra and Lord Khonshu of Maker's Illumaniti organization.

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