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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31351: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:00:47 AM

They should reveal that Mephisto never made a deal for the marriage and it was just Mysterio hypnotizing Mary Jane and Peter.

:)

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31352: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:08:41 AM

[up] And also, it wasn't even Mephisto. It was just Old Man Osborn wearing a Mephisto costume and Hypno Fool-ing Peter and MJ for his own sick amusement.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31353: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:10:10 AM

I mean, I wouldn't hate it.

It worked for the Judas Traveler plot.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31354: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:16:49 AM

God. If they ever do retcon one more day I bet it is going to be another Stormin Norman plot

That man needs a different hobby

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#31355: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:17:33 AM

I hear Judas will be looking for a new plot arc in a month or three, once Fall of X wraps up.

Maybe this is where he visits old friends and reveals how he screwed up Peter's past?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31356: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:18:38 AM

[up][up] Clearly it was Shocker behind One More Day.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31357: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:29:53 AM

"It was me all along!"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31358: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:37:01 AM

While you guys are joking, I think it’d be unironically pretty awesome if we got an arc where Shocker turns out to be the mastermind of a big scheme. Give our boy Herman a big win!

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31359: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:44:39 AM

Wasn't the official explanation for how Harry came back that Norman faked his death?

He was kinda entrenched in the OMD retcons too, because it made him forget Peter's identity too.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31360: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:49:48 AM

[up]I think that was the hand wave used Post-OMD to justify Harry being back. But that’s firmly not canon anymore, Nick Spencer’s introduced the far better explanation that BND Harry was just a clone.

And yeah, EVERYONE is entrenched in OMD because OMD was partly dedicated to making Peter’s identity a secret again, which is a really underrated aspect of how it was terrible.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31361: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:51:02 AM

Is the Harry clone dead now?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31362: Oct 25th 2023 at 7:54:26 AM

Yeah he died at the end of the Spencer run.

I'm curious if the Emily Osborn from the end of Slott's run is a clone made by evil A.I. Harry.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 25th 2023 at 10:54:59 PM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31363: Oct 25th 2023 at 8:12:37 AM

[up]Honestly, she probably should be. It would make sense, unlike the bizarre retcon to bring her back. I still don’t get what bringing her back was even supposed to accomplish, the character spent decades as nigh-nonexistent backstory element and Slott didn’t really do much of anything with her nor has any other writer.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31364: Oct 25th 2023 at 8:14:40 AM

Maybe Slott was trying to be progressive? And failed at that since he basically made her a coward deadbeat mom.

She's not even brought up in Gold Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31365: Oct 25th 2023 at 8:29:54 AM

Yeah, she’s a total nonentity. She’s entered the hall of characters like Gabriel and Sarah Stacy or Theresa Parker or such who seem to have no purpose for existing other than being a terrible retcon done for nebulous purposes.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, when the time finally comes that the Spider-Man book is liberated from Lowe and company, the first thing done is a deck clearing like Nick Spencer was clearly trying to do where all the superfluous clones and needlessly revived characters are slaughtered en masse to put all these characters back in the ground where they belong so they aren’t clogging up Spidey’s lore anymore.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31366: Oct 25th 2023 at 8:51:59 AM

Theresa Parker is awesome in that Ben Reily way.

I want her retconned as adopted by the LMD versions of Peter's parents, though. Because that would be ridiculous enough for comic books.

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31367: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:01:00 AM

I mean I distinctly recall that the Spencer run did seem to be hinting that she was just some LMD, quite possibly yet another of AI Harry’s supply of clones and robots and crap meant to drive Peter crazy.

Frankly, I’m pretty sure at this point AI Harry will be used to wipe away everything of this type. All the weird continuity errors and problems created by OMD and Post-OMD retcons will be declared as just Mephisto having out everyone under an illusion of “single swinging Peter” meant to drive Peter and MJ insane or destroy their lives and using the AI Harry to try and keep the illusion up with stuff like this. Its the only way to cleanly dispose of all the OMD baggage and move the series the fuck on already.

Hell, Spencer’s run basically already said as much. The gun to take OMD out back and shoot it in the head with has been loaded, it’s just a matter of getting people willing to fire it into the office.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 25th 2023 at 9:02:06 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31368: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:06:17 AM

Spencer’s run made me hate Theresa. All she did was show up and emotionally blackmail Peter into doing her job for her. Other than that she had no impact or interest in his actual life.

Even Peter’s worthless robot parents actually spent time hanging out with him

Edit: Also this Harry talk has reminded me of the Harry skeleton that still had the Osborn hair on his bare skull

Which certainly was an artistic decision.

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 25th 2023 at 12:07:27 PM

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31369: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:12:16 AM

Yeah that was weird. The old Osborn hairdo is apparently actually a skull deformity.

On the note of the Osborns’ weird hair, remember the time that John Byrne tried to make Sandman an Osborn because he had similar weird hair? What the hell was that about?

Also also, isn’t it weird that Normie doesn’t have this hair which apparently runs in the family on the male side?

Asking the important questions here.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31370: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:13:58 AM

Byrne has a weird fixation on hair

One of the reasons he decided that Magneto was Wanda and Pietro’s father was because Mags and Pietro had the same hair style

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#31371: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:26:21 AM

Amusing Felicia update from JMS' Captain America today

Spider-Man and Cap team together to fight the Sinister Six, but they find they've taken the day off, Peter calls Felicia and finds out why....she's now dating one of Doc Ock's cousins, so the Six called off killing Spidey as a favour to him and Felicia. Cap departs and Peter asks Felicia if having eight eyes turns her off

Edited by Zarius on Oct 25th 2023 at 9:27:09 AM

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31372: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:30:52 AM

[up]That’s fucking hilarious. It’s good to have JMS back at Marvel.

[up][up]I’m beginning to suspect that Byrne is some kind of alien who operates on moon logic and his good stories are mostly the result of him accidentally coming up with good ideas in a Right for the Wrong Reasons kind of way.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31373: Oct 25th 2023 at 9:31:40 AM

I guess Sid the squid is finally scoring. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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Goku Black
#31374: Oct 25th 2023 at 10:35:39 AM

How is Peter in that book.

Seems to be a recurring thing where in literally every characters run but his own. He's way more fun and competent

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31375: Oct 25th 2023 at 10:45:44 AM

[up] Probably because the non-Spidey-books don't have to deal with the albatross that is Spider-Editorial (or at the very least, Spider-Editorial doesn't have as much power over the creative teams of other characters' books when Spidey puts in a guest appearance than it does over the creative teams of Spider-Man books).

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary

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