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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
Comedy guy
#31301: Oct 24th 2023 at 9:55:54 AM

[up]x2 Curious that you mention that, since Magic the Gathering just announced a colaboration with Marvel, so you can bet the Spidey rogue gallery will be printed there, and be playable in a couple years.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31302: Oct 24th 2023 at 9:57:18 AM

I always like the moments where Peter tries to help his rogues gallery reform.

I remember there was this one comic in the '90s where Toad wanted to go straight and Peter just refused to do anything to help, and while it was funny, it made Peter look horrible.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31303: Oct 24th 2023 at 10:00:34 AM

[up][up][up]Once again, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree.

[up]Spidey helping crooks go straight is always great.

Anyways as a random discussion point, are they any songs any of you associate with Spider-Man? Hard mode, it can’t be one of the cartoon or movie theme songs, it has to be an original song.

I kinda like “Jungleland” by Bruce Springsteen as a “theme song” for Spidey as a character and series.

Edited by immortaleditor on Oct 24th 2023 at 10:01:36 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#31304: Oct 24th 2023 at 10:04:51 AM

[up][up][up] Huh, I didn’t know that.

And I don’t play card games. Not since I was 8 and some bullies beat me up for my Pegasus toon deck.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31305: Oct 24th 2023 at 11:25:37 AM

It also had really good Spider-Man versus Kraven encounters where Peter refuses to believe that Kraven has reformed while the latter agrees as well, saying he's going to be eventually fall off the wagon because he only only acts like a better person around Doreen.

I wonder if that was lampshading the fact of how every other writer ignored how Kraven was reforming in Doreen's book.

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#31306: Oct 24th 2023 at 11:40:20 AM

There is a Batman story about his rogues gallery playing Poker and exchanging stories about the time they almost got him.

I can now see Spiderman's rogue gallery or the Sinster Six doing the same. With characters like Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Electro, Vulture, Sandman and Kraven the Hunter (The Original Sinster Six).

Edited by neoamon on Oct 24th 2023 at 7:41:14 PM

"May your heart be your guiding key"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#31307: Oct 24th 2023 at 11:44:27 AM

Whenever I think of the rogues' gallery hanging out I think of the end of the first Sinister Six storyline where they were all complaining about Spidey, or the end of the PS 1 Spider-Man duology where each group of villains was playing Poker or Go Fish.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Oct 24th 2023 at 2:44:41 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31308: Oct 24th 2023 at 11:48:08 AM

There's a reason the Bar with No Name exists after all.

Well at least until Yuri blew it up.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31309: Oct 24th 2023 at 11:54:04 AM

Now it’s the Popup With No Name

Honestly she probably made a mistake blowing up the bar. It’s helpful to know where the bad guys are shooting the shit

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 24th 2023 at 2:55:16 PM

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#31310: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:11:29 PM

[up][up]First the Scourge of the Underworld killed criminals at the Bar with No Name then the Punisher poisoned criminals and blows it up now the Wrath is joining on the act.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31311: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:13:32 PM

The Bar With No Name gets blown up or attacked so much you half wonder why anybody even goes there. You’d think the place would serve better narratively speaking as a neutral ground where that sort of shit doesn’t happen for both heroes and villains.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31312: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:24:23 PM

The heroes now have the Jarvis Lounge which is like a classy bar

It looked for half a second like it’d be the new Avengers HQ. Which was a little weird considering alcoholics Carol and Tony are the leader and first mate. But then they traded up to an intelligent space city

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immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31313: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:26:16 PM

I do kinda feel like having the hero bar be a swanky upscale establishment while the villains are stuck with a seedy rathole could accidentally give fodder to idiots who say shit like “superheroes just beat up poor people”.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#31314: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:29:07 PM

I’m sure the Bar would be nicer if it didn’t keep blowing up

Kingpin drinks there, after all

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#31315: Oct 24th 2023 at 12:44:22 PM

I've long thought a good thing to have in a superhero setting would be a bar or club where you're only allowed in if you're wearing a costume. Most of the people there would just be ordinary folks who like doing cosplay, but by the nature of the club, heroes and villains could show up, have a drink, and meet up with each other without drawing attention, since most people would dismiss them as just someone in a Spider-Man costume or Thor costume or whatever.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#31316: Oct 24th 2023 at 4:30:14 PM

I'm actually kinda surprised Morbius isn't on there. No, really, we joke on him because of the shitty movie, but he's a fairly prominent Spidey rogue that's shown up in adaptations like the 90s cartoon and quite a few of the games. I'd say he's on Mr. Negative's level of "not a classic Lee/Ditko/Romita omnipresent character, but still has a healthy presence".

The 90s show made it impossible for mainstream audiences to take Morbius seriously long before the movie did. Between his unidentifiable Eastern European accent, sleazy fashion sense, stalker-like behavior, getting in the way of Peter and Felicia hooking up and censorship making him less scary as a vampire, Morbius was cemented as a laughing stock anyone who watched that show.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31317: Oct 24th 2023 at 5:14:24 PM

Oof yeah. Crazy how bad the 90s show did Morbius compared to how well it handled a lot of other villains. Especially when they managed to do arguably even darker characters like Punisher and Carnage justice without being too hamstrung by the ridiculous censorship.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#31318: Oct 24th 2023 at 5:19:17 PM

[up][up] The octopoid suckers that the Fox network's censors made Morbius have could be scarier than his usual fangs, depending on who you ask.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31319: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:25:54 PM

I wonder if that was lampshading the fact of how every other writer ignored how Kraven was reforming in Doreen's book.

In an issue of Squirrel Girl that happened after Kraven died again, a time displaced Kraven shows up to tell Doreen to not watch the news about him.

So the end stance of that book ended up being that while Kraven did return to being bad, he didn't want to disappoint Doreen.

immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31320: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:43:11 PM

That’s a weird way to handle it, given the Spencer run had already implicitly tied that thread by implying the Kraven in Squirrel Girl was one of the many clones, which were all killed til we had only the current Last Son left. Not to mention that Kraven reforming was already pretty much a silly joke in a mostly gag comic (“guy built all around hunting becomes an animal rights activist!”). Kraven’s not really the kinda villain who’d get a redemption arc.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31321: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:46:56 PM

Kraven, in his dying breath, talks about how he tried to be a good person and failed, and we see a squirrel on-screen. It's clear what the implication was.

The "Kraven clones himself" plot existed solely so the character could exist in future books despite dying. It wasn't there to retcon old stories.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31322: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:48:20 PM

Yes, the Spencer run's actions there were shitty and disrespectful to the entire plotline.

Actually a Doombot is one of the worst insults you can throw to a longstanding handling of a character and pretty much exactly the kind of, "There's no REAL Kraven stories after The Last Hunt."

I lost a lot of respect for Spencer's run that I'd otherwise been really fond of.

[up][up]

You can tell that not all of us feel that way.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 24th 2023 at 6:49:04 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
immortaleditor Since: Aug, 2023
#31323: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:52:38 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Been a bit since I read Hunted.

I will say the clone thing was a pretty clever move on Spencer’s part to ensure that this time future bad writers aren’t tempted to drag poor Sergei out of his send-off and just let the character rest as he should’ve been allowed to before. And they’ve done an impressive job from there making the Last Son his own person rather than entirely just a Generation Xerox. His role in the recent Wells-Lowe comics were pretty much the sole good point of the godawful “Spider Who Gobbles” arc by giving him an arc of facing the trials his father faced and proving himself by overcoming it (and even that didn’t get the attention it deserved, because nothing truly good comes of this awful run).

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#31324: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:55:49 PM

"Could have been good, but things didn't work out", is also the basic stance they've taken with Sandman since his time on the Avengers ended.

The redemption I'm probably most mad about not sticking is Vermin. His story was incredibly sad, and to follow it up by turning him back into a mindless monster to be fodder for crowd scenes just annoys me. We'll always have flashback stories.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#31325: Oct 24th 2023 at 6:56:25 PM

There's a lot they could have done with Kraven as an Abusive Parent, his relationship with his family that never gets touched on, and other things they could develop with the character that never were and could only be done with the original Kraven.

Mind you, I feel like I was the only person who liked Kraven's children.

So I suppose I'm the guy who thinks the Kraven Mythology Post-Last Hunt is worth investigating.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 24th 2023 at 7:00:32 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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